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-Havana tower 118.1,
Delta Oscar Mike.

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-A chartered jet on route
from Montreal to Havana.

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On board with a bottle of wine,
Geoff Stirling,

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owner of radio and TV
stations in Eastern Canada,

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a film crew from the National
Film Board, and Joseph R.

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Smallwood, who for 23 controversial
years was Premier of Newfoundland.

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He’s known to all as Joey.

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-I went to the Soviet Union,

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and I don’t care if I ever
saw the sky over it again.

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I went to the Peoples Republic of
China, and I was flabbergasted,

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I was fascinated, I was entranced.

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I think it’s perhaps
the most exciting

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place there is on this earth today.

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But here right along
side us is Cuba.

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I though I’d liketo go down and see,
after all the talk there’s been.

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Very little of it, if any, friendly.

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-Stirling is investing in more
than just a friendly visit.

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There’s been an invitation
from Castro himself.

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-We’re going to do
films and documentaries.

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They should be films
and documentaries that

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have some positive
aspects and some overview.

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-if we can film Fidel,
we’ll have something rich and rare.

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-There’s no use our asking him
unless he agrees to answer.

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He’ll allow us to ask him, to spell
out for us what price Cuba demands

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for the restoration of
perfectly normal conditions,

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relations between the US and Cuba.
If he’ll do that,

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we could be the ones to
break the news to the world.

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[singing]

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-Welcome to Cuba,
the capitalist and the socialist.

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[singing]

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-Yes, Joey’s been calling himself
the socialist all his life.

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[singing]

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-Hence his interest in this island,
and this leader,

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and this revolution.

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-Those in favor of the
revolution put up their hand.

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Those who are not in favor of
the revolution make long face.

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-[Spanish language]

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-Those in favor. [laughter]

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[singing]

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-Now at 73, he’s free to travel,
practice some unofficial diplomacy,

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and have some fun in strange places.

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[cheering]

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-Stirling’s from Newfoundland too.

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They’ve known each other for years,

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and in fact were once on opposite
sides of a Confederation fight.

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The Cubans certainly
seemed to be expecting us.

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These fleet of Volgas,
this house at our disposal.

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Protocol house number 9,
it’s called.

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Former residence of an
American textile tycoon.

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[music]

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-Here apparently we’ll wait,
sorting out our questions,

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waiting for Fidel to
drive through the gates.

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[music]

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-Prime Minister, you’re a doctor.

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Dr. Fidel Castro.
A doctor of what, Prime Minister?

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What are you a doctor of and was

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this doctorate conferred
on you honoris causa?

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[music]

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-That’s why the put us here.

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-Anybody here-- They put us here,

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because we have a former
head of government with us.

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-Who? This guy?

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-They have to go through the
protocol, which were here.

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If we weren’t here with him,

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we’d probably be down in a
tent in the river somewhere.

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-I was here last year and I was
then a former head of government,

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and they put me in a nice hotel,
but not in Marble halls.

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-Well, there must be a
message there somewhere.

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Maybe they know your
back in the power.

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-Since then, I met Fidel Castro at
Gander, and we had a lovely chat.

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I said, \"I’d like to come
down and make a movie.\"

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He said, \"Come down,
and we will help in every way.\"

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-Did you think he really knows us?
Maybe he knows you,

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but do you think he knows
that Geoff is a Millionaire?

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Does he know that you are?

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-I’m sure he does.
I’ve told every official-[laughter]

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--who has come to see us,
from external affairs,

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that Geoff Stirling is a very,
very rich man and he’s not coming out

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here to swallow this Communism lock,

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stock,
and barrel, hook, line, and sinker.

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-Well, I certainly hope you
also told them that I give back

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to my fellow human beings 76¢
on every Dollar that I make.

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-No.
You don’t give it, they take it.

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The government takes it in taxes.

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-Well, in that sense,
but I give it willingly.

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-Well, that’s good. That’s good.

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[music]

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-Stirling took holidays
here before the revolution.

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Now he finds Havana
seedy and rundown,

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but the Cubans say
that they’re putting

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their efforts into the countryside,
for Havana was always overfed.

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-Prime Minister,

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what difference has the revolution
made in these things, in crime,

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and alcoholism,
and dope, and organized prostitution,

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and unemployment,
and poverty in slums?

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Cuba was really notorious.
Infamous even.

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Tell me about it, would you?

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-Are they coming?

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-All aboard.

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-No, no. You go in the car.

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-In the car?

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-The interview may be a day or two,

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so in the mean time there
are excursions to take.

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[singing]

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-The island that Joey ruled
was almost as poor as Cuba.

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Especially in services for people,
like schools and hospitals.

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These he built, and these of
course he wants to see in Cuba.

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[singing]

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-This first morning,

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we’re at a revolutionary new
high school just outside Havana,

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the Lenin School. It looks relaxed.

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Not so different,
but really, it’s utterly different.

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You need marks in the
80s to enter and to stay.

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You have a tough
schedule that starts

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at 6:00 AM each morning
and ends at 10:00 PM.

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No dreamy adolescence here.

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You’re here to learn to work.

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-They live in it all the week round.

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Saturday afternoon,
they get a free bus and they go home.

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They come back eleven
o’clock Sunday night.

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They’re spending five and a
half days there in that school.

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They’re fed, and they’re clothed,
and they’re paying no tuition fees.

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They pay nothing for anything.

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It’s all completely free.

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-Do they get paid for the
15 hours of work they do?

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-No, wait now. Five hours a day--

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Yes, they get paid for
it with free tuition,

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free clothes, free food.

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-Like your Newfoundland fisherman
used to, with no money involved.

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-They get five hours a day tuition.

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Three hours a day they go
in this classroom or that

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classroom or the other classroom
where they make baseballs,

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they make this called mitts.

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They make shorts to wear,
they make sweaters.

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They assemble radio sets, and they
assemble computers sets, and so on.

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Three hours a day.
It’s not a sweat shop.

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-You seem to be
equating it with that?

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-Yes. But I can’t help, Mike,

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equate anything when I see
a child of 11 years of age

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sitting at a sawing machine
for 15 hours a week.

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Now that little girl could
certainly be doing other things.

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She’s going to have to be sitting

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at that sewing machine
sooner or later,

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and surely you’re
not going to steal--

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-It doesn’t follow. It-

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-No.

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--doesn’t follow that she will.

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-Look, Geoff, - -[laughs]

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--there’s something--

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-Your eyes must tell you
it’s not a sweatshop.

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-There’s something else.

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-Look,
you’re talking 15 hours a week-

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-Look, Geoff--

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--for children 11-years-old.
[crosstalk]

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-In 10 years, that’s how many hours?

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-That’s nothing compared
to what our children

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spend in front of televisions.

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-That’s nonsense.

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-It isn’t nonsense.

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-I got children the
same age and they don’t

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spent that-- You’re throwing-

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-I don’t care about your children.

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--all these generalities, Mike.
It is not true.

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You’re talking 11, 12, 13,
14-year-old children in factories,

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15 hours a week.

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-They’re not factories.

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-Now, for the love of heaven--

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-That’s not factories,
they’re classrooms.

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-They’re not factories.
They’re not factories.

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-Look, if you want to be apologetic
for this whole system, that’s fine,

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but it is my way of looking at it.

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-No, I want to learn something.
You don’t want to learn anything.

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-You’re not learning.
You’re saying put the child-

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-I want to learn something.

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--in here, make him happy 15 hours
a week making these little things,

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which one machine can make.

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-Your trouble is-

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-I’m sure of my trouble.

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--that you look upon work as
a penance, as a punishment.

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-No, I don’t. I look upon
work as a chance to expand,

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but work is not-- The work of the
laborer, the work of the hands.

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Work is a chance to expand the
God-given things that God gave you,

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which they don’t believe in.

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Which means that--

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-Every child in Cuba
works with his hands.

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-How many grandchildren do you have?

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-I’m not talking about them.

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-I want to ask them when I get back.
I’m going to take a vote.

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-They should work.

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-I would like to see every child
in Newfoundland and in Canada work.

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I would like to smash--

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-At what age would you start?

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-I would like to smash forever,
for all time,

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anyone’s habit of looking down
his nose at work, at the worker.

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I would like to see
every child do some work.

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I would like to see the students
in our university do some work too.

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-Surely a child should have
the freedom of a childhood?

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That’s the basic concept, isn’t it?
In our free enterprise system,

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that we try to give our
children their childhoods?

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[children playing]

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-The Cubans say that
they just can’t afford

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to give their teenagers
non-productive years.

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Schools have to pay for themselves.

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I thought this idea
of self-sufficiency

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would appeal to a
self-made man like Geoff.

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I asked him that night what he would
do if he came to the conclusion-

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--that they were right
and that the system

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of which you were part of was wrong.

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What would you do about it?

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-I would just hope that it wouldn’t
happen in Canada. [chuckles]

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-No, on the contrary,
we’d all become communists.

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Do you really think that we can’t
make it in a communist country?

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Man, if I’m sitting here and I’ve got
this house in a communist country,

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and have all the trappings
of the same power--

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-Everything you did
had to be measured.

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Does this help other people?
Is this good for other people?

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-All I know know now
is that I would suggest

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that all the employees
I’ve got in communications

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right now are doing a
hell of a lot better than

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all the employees in
communications here in Cuba.

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-No, that’s not a fair comparison.

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-Why not?

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-This is a poor country.

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-If we could stand up everybody
in radio and television

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working in a communist country
anywhere in the world and said,

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\"You’ve got a choice,
and you won’t be shot if you take it,

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to get on a plane right now and
work for a free enterprise system,\"

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I’ll guarantee you we’ll be
ferrying people out of all

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those countries looking for a [?].

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-All right,
but then, Geoff, what does that say?

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-Out of here?
I don’t think you would. [laughter]

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-Wait a minute. Even if it’s true--

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-I don’t think you would be.

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-Even if he was right-- Suppose,
he’s right.

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Suppose, he’s right.

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-You’re doggone right I’m right.

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-The thing has only
been on 15 years.

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-Well, how much do you want?

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-Not 1,500, but say 100.

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-They may be onto
something that’s so far

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beyond anything that
we can conceive,

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that we’re going to
come back here in 15

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years and find that
they really have touched

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the final thing where
each man and each

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individual has a tremendous
feeling of fulfilment.

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-One thing I think we can agree on.

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If we can get an interview with Fidel
Castro, it should be interesting.

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-We asked to visit Havana’s mental
hospital, looking for some clue,

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perhaps, to the mental health
of the revolution as a whole.

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The hospital is run
by a revolutionary

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colleague of Fidel’s,
Dr. Bernabé Ordaz.

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-Doctor, you know Fidel?

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-[Spanish language] We
were studying together.

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-You were in the
university together.

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-We were studying together.

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He was the president
of the law school,

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I happened to be the president
of the medical school.

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We [?] the revolution.
We have 6,000 patients here.

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Now, we have 4,000,
2,000 have gone back to society,

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and they are not dead
on account of that.

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They are living people.

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-Are you using the
advanced LSD treatment

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they use for schizo in other parts
of the world, in Russia, I gather?

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-[Spanish language]

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-The thing is this.

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Since 90% of the cases here
are about schizophrenia--

00:14:52.049 --> 00:14:53.633
-[Spanish language]

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-A double-split personality.

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-That’s right.
We use this occupational therapy.

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-Work therapy.

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-Because they have been passed
[?] treatment that we have here.

00:15:05.010 --> 00:15:05.788
-They are chronic.

00:15:05.955 --> 00:15:06.837
-They are chronic.

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-What’s he done during his life?

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-He was born 1,973 years ago.

00:15:15.646 --> 00:15:17.883
[Spanish language]

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-[Spanish language]

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-Everything in the world,
I made it myself. Airplanes.

00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:25.517
-[Spanish language]

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-I was a Hitler [?].

00:15:27.284 --> 00:15:29.068
-[Spanish language]

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-I talk to Stalin.

00:15:31.489 --> 00:15:34.640
-[Spanish language]

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-[Spanish language]

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-This is a paranoid
schizophrenia case.

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-Dr.
Ordaz claims that in other societies,

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this crazy old man would just be
thrown out on the rubbish heap.

00:15:47.658 --> 00:15:51.186
-[Spanish language]

00:15:51.613 --> 00:15:54.513
-Now, we’re taking care of him,
the likes of him.

00:15:55.140 --> 00:15:58.303
We have given them and
him some responsibility.

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In this case,
he happens to be a gate man.

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He’s being paid a salary.

00:16:03.330 --> 00:16:07.890
-[Spanish language]

00:16:08.221 --> 00:16:12.913
-The patients here, they do
real work, socially-useful work.

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-For example, raising the chickens?

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-For example, raising the chickens.

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-Growing roses.

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-Growing roses.

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In addition, they get paid for

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whatever work they
do in the hospital.

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-I’m quite impressed.
Stirling is more skeptical,

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and we argue constantly about
what is natural in human society.

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These chickens look so peaceful.

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I wonder what sort of a
social system they have.

00:16:36.105 --> 00:16:42.931
-[Spanish language]

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-[Spanish language]

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-He’s suggesting that you
please ask one of them.

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[laughter]

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-Does he think they’re
communist chickens?

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-[Spanish language]

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-[Spanish language]

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-What’s he say?

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-They were born under this system.

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They’re going to be
eaten by communists.

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That wouldn’t be a
surprise if they raise

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their hands and say
they’re communists.

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-They’re born to live
and die under communism.

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-Foolishness with the chickens
leads by chance to something,

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someone saner.

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-I’m here,
I’m-- He still thought in English.

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-Mary or Maria?

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-Mary.

00:17:26.325 --> 00:17:26.926
-Mary.

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-My name’s Mary Carol.

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-Good.

00:17:29.167 --> 00:17:29.742
-Carroll.

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-Sure. Mary Car.

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-C-A-R-R-O-L-L.

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-Sure, like the song, \"Oh, Carol.\"

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-You live here all the time?

00:17:36.851 --> 00:17:38.271
-Heavens, no.

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I just came here to get well,
because I’m epileptic.

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-How long have you been here?

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-A month,
and I’ll be out soon, I hope.

00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:51.823
-What do you think
of the idea of making

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it a working hospital
where everybody works?

00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.450
-Why, that-it’s a very normal idea.

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For abnormal patients,
I think that’s the best treatment,

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because they’ll find the same thing
outside, getting to like to work.

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You know that many people
just don’t like it.

00:18:10.197 --> 00:18:12.697
-Yes,
I know someone who doesn’t like it.

00:18:13.950 --> 00:18:15.888
-Mary, what did you say about Fidel?

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What’s your opinion?

00:18:17.035 --> 00:18:20.040
-I think he’s a very
great and a very busy man.

00:18:21.450 --> 00:18:22.450
-Great how?

00:18:24.390 --> 00:18:26.790
-The only way a person can be great.

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Serving other people and helping
them to live better, of course.

00:18:34.910 --> 00:18:38.443
-What about those who just don’t
care, who don’t want to help others?

00:18:38.610 --> 00:18:39.810
They must exist.

00:18:40.316 --> 00:18:47.070
-There are selfish people,
of course, but they’re being-- Well,

00:18:48.780 --> 00:18:53.503
you can always talk to the
selfish person and explain to them

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just why they’re selfish and
why it’ll do them just no good.

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Some of them might understand.

00:19:00.859 --> 00:19:04.399
Others will never understand,
and they’ll always be selfish.

00:19:04.723 --> 00:19:07.603
-What about the opinions of
life generally in Cuba today?

00:19:07.770 --> 00:19:08.773
Is it a lot better?

00:19:08.940 --> 00:19:10.529
-I’m still here, aren’t I?

00:19:10.696 --> 00:19:12.374
-Yes,
but that doesn’t prove it’s a lot

00:19:12.541 --> 00:19:14.286
better just because
you’re still here.

00:19:14.453 --> 00:19:15.690
-Yes, it does.

00:19:15.857 --> 00:19:20.130
My mother and my father
are both in the States,

00:19:21.270 --> 00:19:22.723
and I could’ve been there too.

00:19:22.890 --> 00:19:28.050
My mother went in 1961,
and I didn’t go.

00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:30.943
I don’t like people who
think that they’re better,

00:19:31.110 --> 00:19:34.363
because they’re White or
they have blue or black

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eyes or-you get it- or
they’re just not Jews.

00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:40.531
There must be a
better way of thinking

00:19:40.698 --> 00:19:44.460
things out, that’s a sure thing,
and I’m still here.

00:19:45.060 --> 00:19:45.767
-Could you have gone?

00:19:45.934 --> 00:19:49.474
-It’s my country, of course I could.
I had everything ready.

00:19:50.280 --> 00:19:52.462
-What sort of a passport do
you have on the airplane?

00:19:52.629 --> 00:19:53.287
-My passport.

00:19:53.454 --> 00:19:54.002
-A Cuban passport?

00:19:54.169 --> 00:19:57.150
-No. I told you I was born in Cuba.

00:19:57.510 --> 00:20:00.442
What sort of passport
would a Cuban have?

00:20:00.609 --> 00:20:01.848
An American one?

00:20:02.336 --> 00:20:06.206
My dear man, I’m the one who’s
the patient here not you.

00:20:06.529 --> 00:20:09.153
[laughter]

00:20:09.320 --> 00:20:13.967
-Okay.
I got to go home now. Goodbye.

00:20:14.134 --> 00:20:14.952
Thank you very much.

00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:16.158
-Bye, Michael.

00:20:16.325 --> 00:20:17.187
-Very nice to talk to you.

00:20:17.354 --> 00:20:18.354
-Bye, Mary.

00:20:19.014 --> 00:20:22.002
-Bye. [?]

00:20:22.169 --> 00:20:29.169
[background noise]

00:20:31.282 --> 00:20:35.610
-Prime Minister,
would you tell me what your thoughts

00:20:36.420 --> 00:20:40.920
on the thing that in
Canada we prize highly.

00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:45.330
Your thoughts on the matter
of parliamentary democracy.

00:20:46.050 --> 00:20:49.470
What about having a
system of government

00:20:49.950 --> 00:20:53.640
that is answerable
to that elected body?

00:20:54.990 --> 00:20:56.473
You had a revolution.

00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.883
This wasn’t done with pop
guns or bows and arrow.

00:21:01.050 --> 00:21:03.750
It was pretty serious business.

00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.063
Suppose we were to ask him,
\"Look, Prime Minister.

00:21:10.230 --> 00:21:15.840
Look, Dr. Castro, did the United
States make you a communist?\"

00:21:19.800 --> 00:21:24.253
Cut you off,
and they cut off supplies.

00:21:24.420 --> 00:21:27.223
They wouldn’t allow anything
to be shipped into Cuba.

00:21:27.390 --> 00:21:31.410
They wouldn’t allow anything to
be shipped from Cuba into the US.

00:21:31.590 --> 00:21:32.803
They cut you off.

00:21:32.970 --> 00:21:35.683
It was a natural development
for me to become a communist.

00:21:35.850 --> 00:21:37.180
Would he say that?
What would he say?

00:21:37.347 --> 00:21:40.603
-I think that maybe it wasn’t.
I think in a sense,

00:21:40.770 --> 00:21:44.203
the antagonism of the United
States served people very well,

00:21:44.370 --> 00:21:47.203
because what it’s done has been
a terrific emotional unifier.

00:21:47.370 --> 00:21:53.190
They’ve used this antagonism in
order to keep a sense of solidarity.

00:21:53.910 --> 00:21:57.943
-Well, there’s no real fulfillment
in life if your life is based only

00:21:58.110 --> 00:22:01.333
on the accumulation of materialism
and selfish-- Let’s face it.

00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:04.944
Any mature man accepts that.
Any really intellectual [crosstalk]

00:22:05.111 --> 00:22:08.653
-Well, in that case, there’s quite
a few people who are not mature.

00:22:08.820 --> 00:22:09.553
-Well, of course.
That’s the problem.

00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:10.333
-Because they don’t accept.

00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:12.433
-But their sons might and
their son’s sons might.

00:22:12.600 --> 00:22:13.873
That’s what the hippie
movement was all about.

00:22:14.040 --> 00:22:17.640
Was the realization that the
upper middle class and affluent,

00:22:18.390 --> 00:22:20.533
that these men were enjoying it.
It wasn’t enough.

00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:22.353
That’s what developed
the hippie movement.

00:22:22.520 --> 00:22:24.601
[cheering]

00:22:25.803 --> 00:22:32.803
-[Spanish language]

00:22:33.296 --> 00:22:39.872
[music]

00:22:40.528 --> 00:22:42.336
-There’s so many
thing we have to see.

00:22:42.503 --> 00:22:44.078
Alamar, for instance.

00:22:45.030 --> 00:22:48.270
A whole new city being
constructed by amateur builders.

00:22:48.513 --> 00:22:54.606
[music]

00:22:55.258 --> 00:22:58.837
-In an attempt to meet the
incredible housing shortages.

00:22:59.274 --> 00:23:05.879
[music]

00:23:07.081 --> 00:23:09.456
-Their enthusiasm
makes me a bit giddy.

00:23:10.020 --> 00:23:11.650
It seems to intoxicate Joey.

00:23:11.817 --> 00:23:15.127
[music]

00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.229
-No doubt recalling his
own blockbusting days.

00:23:18.396 --> 00:23:21.240
-Are you a construction worker?

00:23:21.678 --> 00:23:23.472
-[Spanish language]

00:23:23.639 --> 00:23:24.639
-No.

00:23:25.433 --> 00:23:26.957
-Well, what are you?

00:23:27.291 --> 00:23:28.885
-[Spanish language]

00:23:30.184 --> 00:23:30.920
-Marinero.

00:23:31.087 --> 00:23:32.137
-I’m a sailor.

00:23:32.503 --> 00:23:33.565
-A sailor?

00:23:33.780 --> 00:23:34.780
-Marinero.

00:23:35.230 --> 00:23:36.707
-A fisherman or a sailor?

00:23:36.874 --> 00:23:37.580
-[Spanish language]

00:23:37.747 --> 00:23:39.452
-No, no. Marinero.

00:23:39.619 --> 00:23:40.694
-Sailor.

00:23:40.861 --> 00:23:43.514
-Why are you on a construction job?

00:23:43.950 --> 00:23:46.056
-[Spanish language]

00:23:46.498 --> 00:23:51.659
-[Spanish language]

00:23:52.041 --> 00:23:58.271
-He was just explaining that
80% of all the people working

00:23:58.438 --> 00:24:02.082
in the Alamar subdivision-
-In this housing project?

00:24:02.249 --> 00:24:03.929
--in this housing project,

00:24:04.156 --> 00:24:07.560
did not have any previous
construction experience at all.

00:24:08.583 --> 00:24:10.444
-They weren’t all sailors though.

00:24:10.611 --> 00:24:11.161
-No, no, no.

00:24:11.328 --> 00:24:12.333
-Some were sailors.

00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:13.434
-All places of work.

00:24:13.601 --> 00:24:14.261
-I see.

00:24:14.428 --> 00:24:15.943
-Very many places of work.

00:24:16.110 --> 00:24:18.703
In this case, we happen to be in
a building that is being built

00:24:18.870 --> 00:24:21.193
by workers of the Merchant
Marine [crosstalk].

00:24:21.360 --> 00:24:24.709
-All the workers on this
particular building are sailors?

00:24:24.876 --> 00:24:27.631
-Yes.
We have specialized work experts that

00:24:27.798 --> 00:24:30.163
are constantly on the work,
on the site.

00:24:30.330 --> 00:24:32.593
We just don’t have
enough construction

00:24:32.760 --> 00:24:35.173
workers to build a
city like this one,

00:24:35.340 --> 00:24:39.313
which incidentally is
gonna be by 1982, 1983,

00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.168
a city of a 130,000 people.

00:24:41.520 --> 00:24:44.183
-130,000. Size of [crosstalk]

00:24:44.350 --> 00:24:46.963
-We don’t have enough
construction workers,

00:24:47.130 --> 00:24:49.243
because we are building factories.

00:24:49.410 --> 00:24:53.760
The workers themselves in this
place of work, they meet together.

00:24:54.390 --> 00:24:57.373
They do the selection,
to whom will the apartments go,

00:24:57.540 --> 00:24:59.923
to which workers,
which worker will apartment go.

00:25:00.090 --> 00:25:01.779
They decide it by majority vote.

00:25:01.946 --> 00:25:05.553
-[Spanish language]

00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:07.230
-Is it successful?

00:25:07.397 --> 00:25:09.253
-Why don’t you take a look
around yourself? What you see?

00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:13.165
-The buildings look good,
but are they slow or are they quick,

00:25:13.332 --> 00:25:14.455
are they efficient?

00:25:14.622 --> 00:25:18.642
-Many of these buildings already
are inhabited now, have been given.

00:25:19.470 --> 00:25:22.423
Now, there’s one thing that
I sure out here, the rent.

00:25:22.590 --> 00:25:25.003
That people living in Alamar pay is

00:25:25.170 --> 00:25:27.718
6% of whatever the
breadwinner makes.

00:25:27.885 --> 00:25:28.786
-Of his salary?

00:25:28.953 --> 00:25:30.078
-Of his salary.

00:25:31.133 --> 00:25:31.781
-Fantastico.

00:25:31.948 --> 00:25:32.540
-Pon tu.

00:25:32.707 --> 00:25:34.965
-Fantastico.

00:25:35.835 --> 00:25:38.953
-All that live in gay Havana,
in the concrete blocks of clay,

00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:42.223
and the workers from the anthills
coming out to start each day.

00:25:42.390 --> 00:25:45.763
Oh, the pure and right endeavor
as they shovel dirt and clay,

00:25:45.930 --> 00:25:49.230
singing songs of inspiration
as they toil day after day.

00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.033
No more need to worry of redemption.

00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.313
No need to bow their
heads in prayer.

00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:58.930
For they know that
they are the chosen,

00:25:59.097 --> 00:26:01.035
made of nothing more than clay.

00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:04.303
Ah, the gay and happy workers
toiling daily for the State.

00:26:04.470 --> 00:26:08.490
If they reach their happy quota,
on Sundays, they can sleep in late.

00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:10.635
-Geoff, did you write that?

00:26:10.802 --> 00:26:11.802
-[laughs]

00:26:12.053 --> 00:26:13.067
-It’s clever.

00:26:13.832 --> 00:26:15.090
-Do you believe that or
you’re just being silly?

00:26:15.257 --> 00:26:18.317
-I’m just being silly.
I think we’ve seen down here.

00:26:18.493 --> 00:26:19.302
-The poultry farm.

00:26:19.469 --> 00:26:20.159
-Be negative.

00:26:20.326 --> 00:26:22.513
I think that’s one of the
great things that maybe have,

00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.590
is a sense of humor.
You know me too well.

00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:32.571
-There was an irritation in my mind
at the slur on the concrete boxes.

00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:35.353
I wish to God every family
in Newfoundland, in Saint John’s

00:26:35.520 --> 00:26:40.860
have homes as good
as these concrete cages.

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.942
[applause]

00:26:48.109 --> 00:26:51.673
-I go back later to see that people
have already moved into Alamar.

00:26:51.840 --> 00:26:55.080
The occasion is a block party
to celebrate Women’s Day.

00:26:55.350 --> 00:26:59.370
Small prizes are given.
This is not an organized visit.

00:27:00.187 --> 00:27:03.682
It makes a good crosscheck
on our daylight tours.

00:27:03.849 --> 00:27:06.423
[Spanish language]

00:27:12.657 --> 00:27:19.657
[applause]

00:27:22.182 --> 00:27:29.182
[children singing]

00:27:33.446 --> 00:27:36.009
-The refreshments are
simple and homemade.

00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:39.563
Living in the luxury of number 9,

00:27:39.930 --> 00:27:43.309
we forget that many basic
foods are rationed in Cuba.

00:27:44.726 --> 00:27:51.726
[children singing]

00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:57.223
-Some observers see rationing as a
failure of the revolution, but here,

00:27:57.390 --> 00:28:00.630
at least everyone gets an
equal share at a cheap price.

00:28:03.780 --> 00:28:05.968
Perhaps, in this lower consumption,

00:28:06.150 --> 00:28:08.574
we’re seeing a vision
of our own future.

00:28:08.741 --> 00:28:15.741
[children singing]

00:28:16.172 --> 00:28:22.320
[music]

00:28:23.005 --> 00:28:27.050
-Strong [?] is vital to the
health of Canadian broadcasters,

00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:29.945
which has been characterized--

00:28:31.697 --> 00:28:34.753
[indistinct conversation]

00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:35.920
-All aboard.

00:28:36.928 --> 00:28:38.515
-Where are we going today?

00:28:38.682 --> 00:28:43.500
-This is the university city
for technology, faculties.

00:28:43.830 --> 00:28:45.073
-What are we gonna see?

00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.970
-It’s part of the
University of Havana.

00:28:48.540 --> 00:28:50.623
Except,
they are only-all the engineering.

00:28:50.790 --> 00:28:52.693
I could take you
careers on this school.

00:28:52.860 --> 00:28:55.640
-Is it a good place to have
an argument about religion?

00:28:55.807 --> 00:28:57.435
-It’s a wonderful place to
have that kind of argument.

00:28:57.602 --> 00:28:58.632
-[laughs]

00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:00.654
Okay.

00:29:01.204 --> 00:29:06.191
[music]

00:29:06.740 --> 00:29:11.580
-We’re going to a university where
the students not only pay no fees,

00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:13.620
but are paid to study.

00:29:14.910 --> 00:29:18.810
In only one other place in the
Americas has this been tried,

00:29:19.320 --> 00:29:22.854
Newfoundland, and the man
who set it up was Smallwood.

00:29:23.189 --> 00:29:27.511
[music]

00:29:27.949 --> 00:29:30.824
-But he lost the support
of Newfoundland youth.

00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:34.156
At the 1969 Leadership Convention,
the students gave him

00:29:34.323 --> 00:29:38.252
the Nazi salute and shouted,
\"Fascist,\" and that hurt.

00:29:38.584 --> 00:29:45.584
[music]

00:29:47.445 --> 00:29:51.523
-Do you see any danger of government

00:29:51.847 --> 00:29:55.140
and people drifting apart?

00:29:55.950 --> 00:30:00.130
New population who knoweth not,
Fidel.

00:30:00.567 --> 00:30:03.593
[music]

00:30:03.891 --> 00:30:08.467
-20 hours a week they
study in the university,

00:30:08.670 --> 00:30:11.610
and 20 hours a week
they work in factories,

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:16.682
practicing what they learn here.
40-hour week.

00:30:19.023 --> 00:30:21.160
-Well, I think it’s extremely clever,
because it gives

00:30:21.327 --> 00:30:24.373
the workers the illusion that
they’re university students.

00:30:24.540 --> 00:30:27.763
Just like the 11-year-olds in
the factories, 15 hours a week.

00:30:27.930 --> 00:30:31.650
We’ve got machines now
to do the workers’ work.

00:30:31.860 --> 00:30:32.953
Do you really think
that there’s such

00:30:33.120 --> 00:30:36.420
a tremendous exaltation
in just working?

00:30:36.810 --> 00:30:38.023
-We’re having an argument here,
Dean,

00:30:38.190 --> 00:30:40.423
because he’s saying
that in the future

00:30:40.590 --> 00:30:44.833
machines will replace work
in factories, and so on.

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.833
Why put students in
factories to learn

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.053
something that is becoming obsolete?

00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:51.900
What is the reason for it?

00:30:52.830 --> 00:30:55.483
-Maybe that’s obsolete in your
country, but on this one not.

00:30:55.650 --> 00:30:57.883
We are underdeveloped,
we’re trying to be developed.

00:30:58.050 --> 00:31:02.580
We have some of years beforehand
to be in that situation.

00:31:02.970 --> 00:31:06.733
-You’re a practical part of the
communist society right now.

00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:08.003
-Not the communist.
We’re not the communist yet.

00:31:08.170 --> 00:31:08.876
We’re socialists.

00:31:09.043 --> 00:31:10.526
-You’re socialists here?

00:31:10.693 --> 00:31:11.739
-No,
we’re socialists in the whole Cuba.

00:31:11.906 --> 00:31:13.084
-I see. Not communists?

00:31:13.251 --> 00:31:13.783
-No.

00:31:13.950 --> 00:31:16.090
-You’ll eventually end
up back in capitalism?

00:31:16.257 --> 00:31:18.000
-Pardon? [laughter]

00:31:18.342 --> 00:31:20.596
-Our thinking is that,
at least mine,

00:31:21.027 --> 00:31:24.326
is that in a certain level
of development you have to go

00:31:24.493 --> 00:31:27.373
socialistic, at a lower level
you have to be communistic.

00:31:27.540 --> 00:31:30.644
As you get higher, as you educate
your masses, as they start to sow--

00:31:30.811 --> 00:31:31.816
-You end up capitalists.

00:31:31.983 --> 00:31:33.213
-No, not necessarily capitalists,

00:31:33.380 --> 00:31:36.433
but a whole new system of
freedom of the individual

00:31:36.600 --> 00:31:38.503
and freedom of society
to expand itself.

00:31:38.670 --> 00:31:40.214
Jonathan Seagulls,
surely that’s what

00:31:40.381 --> 00:31:42.733
we’re searching for is
perfection of you as

00:31:42.900 --> 00:31:46.308
an individual before you finally
drop this body and go on again.

00:31:46.475 --> 00:31:47.198
-Go on again?

00:31:47.365 --> 00:31:48.218
-Well, go. Yes.

00:31:48.385 --> 00:31:49.006
-That’s a theory.

00:31:49.173 --> 00:31:49.847
-That’s a theory of mine.

00:31:50.014 --> 00:31:52.805
-I don’t agree with you
on that point. [laughter]

00:31:52.972 --> 00:31:55.709
-Just remember when you
get that hard pain one day,

00:31:55.876 --> 00:31:56.789
there’s nothing else.

00:31:56.956 --> 00:31:58.284
-That’s finished. [laughter]

00:31:58.451 --> 00:32:00.006
-Okay, let’s go.

00:32:00.315 --> 00:32:01.571
-Where do we go now, Dean?

00:32:01.738 --> 00:32:03.231
-Now we’re going to the white house.

00:32:03.398 --> 00:32:04.114
-Where?

00:32:04.281 --> 00:32:05.781
-To the White House.

00:32:06.764 --> 00:32:07.573
-The White House?

00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:08.706
-Yes.

00:32:08.873 --> 00:32:11.460
It’s called the White House,
because as you see it over there--

00:32:11.627 --> 00:32:12.713
-It’s white.

00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:13.941
-Yes.

00:32:14.108 --> 00:32:17.072
-The White House was a
former plantation residence.

00:32:17.239 --> 00:32:18.919
Now it’s a student union.

00:32:21.870 --> 00:32:24.103
-You are the president
of the student

00:32:24.270 --> 00:32:27.721
union in this part
of the university?

00:32:27.888 --> 00:32:28.783
-Yes.

00:32:28.950 --> 00:32:32.533
-We talked to the student president
who studies in the States.

00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:35.927
Well, behind us,
North Vietnamese play ping pong

00:32:36.094 --> 00:32:36.560
-In New York?

00:32:36.727 --> 00:32:37.165
-In New York.

00:32:37.332 --> 00:32:37.940
-Five years?

00:32:38.107 --> 00:32:39.553
-Five years, I lived there.

00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.350
Then I came back to my
country and I began to work.

00:32:44.070 --> 00:32:49.170
Then, five years ago, I started
to study again at this faculty.

00:32:49.594 --> 00:32:51.242
-In Canada, but when the--

00:32:51.409 --> 00:32:52.873
-At the United States,

00:32:53.040 --> 00:32:59.443
I only wanted to do a study to
be an engineer, to have money,

00:32:59.610 --> 00:33:05.730
to try to live like a rich man.
That was my aspiration.

00:33:06.780 --> 00:33:11.340
I only think the money,
and dress, and all cars, all of that.

00:33:11.778 --> 00:33:12.789
-Purely selfish.

00:33:12.956 --> 00:33:16.868
-Purely selfish.
Now I have another motivation.

00:33:17.035 --> 00:33:19.993
I really don’t care about
how much I’m going to earn,

00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.186
how much I’m going to have
when I become [crosstalk]

00:33:22.353 --> 00:33:23.478
-You want some.

00:33:23.686 --> 00:33:27.223
-Well, I need some, because I
have to eat and I have to dress,

00:33:27.390 --> 00:33:30.373
but that’s not really
what we want to see.

00:33:30.540 --> 00:33:34.590
We want to finish our career,
to start to work,

00:33:35.070 --> 00:33:40.200
because we know that we have to build
factories, we have to build roads,

00:33:40.470 --> 00:33:43.530
hospitals,
all what our people need now.

00:33:43.860 --> 00:33:46.573
We know that when we are
building a sugar mill,

00:33:46.740 --> 00:33:49.153
there is no owner
that’s going to happen

00:33:49.320 --> 00:33:51.570
for him to have a house like this.

00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.106
-There’s areas that
we’ve got to change.

00:33:54.273 --> 00:33:55.513
The first thing that
probably would happen

00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:57.703
at a socialist or communist country,

00:33:57.870 --> 00:33:59.923
you would take over the
radio stations I run.

00:34:00.090 --> 00:34:01.453
That would be the
first thing you’d do.

00:34:01.620 --> 00:34:04.303
I would not be allowed on your
station here to say what I think

00:34:04.470 --> 00:34:08.250
about-maybe they’d be totally
different in the concept, would I?

00:34:09.210 --> 00:34:10.243
Of how they should run things.

00:34:10.410 --> 00:34:11.656
Would I be allowed to
go in there and say it?

00:34:11.823 --> 00:34:13.716
I might be allowed to say, but I
might not get out of the building.

00:34:13.883 --> 00:34:17.473
-Yes. Maybe because you
are not on the democracy,

00:34:17.640 --> 00:34:20.922
you are under the dictatorship of
workers. That’s the main thing.

00:34:21.089 --> 00:34:22.095
-A dictatorship of workers?

00:34:22.262 --> 00:34:23.661
-That’s right, workers dictatorship.

00:34:23.828 --> 00:34:24.719
-The worker’s dictatorship.

00:34:24.886 --> 00:34:26.863
-That’s the principle of
socialism and communism, too.

00:34:27.030 --> 00:34:28.411
-The workers dictatorship,
which means in

00:34:28.578 --> 00:34:30.158
the final analysis one man,
doesn’t it?

00:34:30.325 --> 00:34:31.348
-No, you are wrong.

00:34:31.515 --> 00:34:32.078
-No?

00:34:32.245 --> 00:34:33.564
-That’s the whole people.

00:34:33.731 --> 00:34:35.953
-What I can talk to you about,
my friend,

00:34:36.120 --> 00:34:40.530
about the young people that I meet,
that they are 15, 20-years-old,

00:34:41.610 --> 00:34:43.548
and they feel just like I feel.

00:34:44.100 --> 00:34:47.713
They love the country,
they love the revolution,

00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.385
they love the government,
because they didn’t know the past.

00:34:51.552 --> 00:34:52.564
-They love Fidel?

00:34:52.731 --> 00:34:53.676
-They love Fidel.

00:34:53.843 --> 00:34:54.466
-Yes.

00:34:54.633 --> 00:35:00.223
-I think to know the past is good,
because you have the experience,

00:35:00.390 --> 00:35:01.890
and you can compare.

00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:06.180
-It was written in the book
about the Stalinist days.

00:35:07.290 --> 00:35:09.763
They’re hounding him now,
and denouncing him,

00:35:09.930 --> 00:35:11.803
and calling him
everything under the sun.

00:35:11.970 --> 00:35:13.941
The lady who had one
copy of the manuscript

00:35:14.108 --> 00:35:16.733
was tortured and finally
committed suicide.

00:35:17.730 --> 00:35:20.030
Yet all he was trying to do
was write history, right?

00:35:20.197 --> 00:35:21.441
-Yes.

00:35:21.608 --> 00:35:25.590
-Do you see anything
incompatible with that?

00:35:26.220 --> 00:35:28.393
-It depends if it goes
against the principles

00:35:28.560 --> 00:35:30.873
stated by the
dictatorship of workers.

00:35:31.197 --> 00:35:33.566
-But it always goes against the
principles if it’s critical.

00:35:33.733 --> 00:35:34.248
-No.

00:35:34.415 --> 00:35:34.774
-It doesn’t?

00:35:34.941 --> 00:35:36.290
-No,
you have the right to criticize.

00:35:36.457 --> 00:35:36.829
-You do?

00:35:36.996 --> 00:35:37.996
-Yes.

00:35:38.266 --> 00:35:39.460
-It takes a lot of guts.

00:35:39.627 --> 00:35:43.063
As Khrushchev said
when he was asked,

00:35:43.230 --> 00:35:46.170
\"Why didn’t you protest
when Stalin was in power?\"

00:35:46.350 --> 00:35:49.543
Somebody shouted out at the Congress,
\"Why didn’t you protest?\"

00:35:49.710 --> 00:35:52.148
He stopped and he said,
\"Who said that?\"

00:35:52.590 --> 00:35:55.483
There was dead silence,
and nobody stood up. Nobody.

00:35:55.650 --> 00:35:57.300
He said, \"That’s why.\"

00:35:57.799 --> 00:36:00.452
-Do you think-- You said
that’s happening now?

00:36:00.619 --> 00:36:01.647
-It’s happening now in Russia.

00:36:01.814 --> 00:36:02.907
-I don’t believe so.

00:36:03.074 --> 00:36:03.495
-You don’t?

00:36:03.662 --> 00:36:04.187
-No.

00:36:04.354 --> 00:36:05.945
-Well, it’s easy to--

00:36:06.112 --> 00:36:10.320
-I have read and studied
socialism for 60 years,

00:36:11.850 --> 00:36:14.593
and this is my understanding
throughout my whole life.

00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:18.648
That it takes time,
it can’t be done overnight.

00:36:19.089 --> 00:36:19.652
-That’s right.

00:36:19.819 --> 00:36:24.612
-But what you aim at, your purpose
is to build a classless society.

00:36:24.943 --> 00:36:25.373
-That’s correct.

00:36:25.540 --> 00:36:27.253
First of all, in Communism,

00:36:27.420 --> 00:36:30.233
let’s say the maximum
one would have to shift.

00:36:30.990 --> 00:36:34.410
You have to give as far as you can

00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.460
and you will receive
whatever you need.

00:36:36.627 --> 00:36:37.210
-To him, yes.

00:36:37.377 --> 00:36:43.153
-That’s the point in Communism,
right? [crosstalk]

00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.233
-That is a reversion to the early
teachings of the Christian faith.

00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:48.462
-That’s the Communism, right?

00:36:48.629 --> 00:36:50.743
-The State disappears, it vanishes.

00:36:50.910 --> 00:36:51.710
-That’s right.

00:36:51.877 --> 00:36:55.200
-You have justice and
beauty among mankind.

00:36:55.650 --> 00:36:58.715
Yes. We will have this. I won’t
live to see it, and you won’t.

00:36:58.882 --> 00:37:01.646
-No, I won’t, I’m sure.
Now, what’s socialism?

00:37:01.813 --> 00:37:02.742
It’s completely different.

00:37:02.909 --> 00:37:03.611
-Different than Communism?

00:37:03.778 --> 00:37:04.376
-Yes.

00:37:04.543 --> 00:37:05.898
-In the end, they’re both different.

00:37:06.065 --> 00:37:08.544
-Yes, you have to have first
Socialism to get Communism.

00:37:08.711 --> 00:37:09.639
-What’s the difference?

00:37:09.806 --> 00:37:12.523
-The difference mainly is
that you have to give as far

00:37:12.690 --> 00:37:17.400
as you can and you will receive
as far as you give, is that right?

00:37:18.120 --> 00:37:19.933
If you work eight hours,
you will receive for eight hours.

00:37:20.100 --> 00:37:21.893
You work 12 you will receive for 12.

00:37:22.060 --> 00:37:23.952
-You’re saying if a
socialist works eight hours,

00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:25.077
he gets eight hours return.

00:37:25.244 --> 00:37:27.024
If he works 12,
he gets 12 hours return?

00:37:27.191 --> 00:37:27.769
-Yes.

00:37:27.936 --> 00:37:29.712
-That’s what happens in
the free enterprise system.

00:37:29.879 --> 00:37:33.103
-Basically, is that you’re
working in capitalism for one guy,

00:37:33.270 --> 00:37:36.583
the one who owns the factory
and the money goes for him,

00:37:36.750 --> 00:37:39.690
and maybe he can share.
I’m not going to hurt you.

00:37:39.870 --> 00:37:42.553
Maybe he can share the things
with the workers, that’s one case,

00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:45.313
but tell me, the system,
the whole system is going to do that,

00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:48.563
is doing that in which society?
Tell me just one.

00:37:48.730 --> 00:37:52.273
-You are talking about capitalism
as it existed back 20 years ago.

00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.353
We now have a free enterprise
system where you can buy stock,

00:37:56.520 --> 00:37:57.925
you can work in a radio station,
right?

00:37:58.092 --> 00:37:58.645
-Yes, I can.

00:37:58.812 --> 00:37:59.932
-You can work as a radio announcer,

00:38:00.099 --> 00:38:04.026
and each week you can buy stock
in that radio station, right?

00:38:04.193 --> 00:38:04.798
-Yes.

00:38:04.965 --> 00:38:06.486
-Eventually if you work hard enough,

00:38:06.653 --> 00:38:08.582
you can probably be
the main stockholder.

00:38:08.749 --> 00:38:09.419
[background noises]

00:38:09.586 --> 00:38:14.233
-I worked at New York,
I came at a bank, I was working,

00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:19.470
and I had shares. I received
10% of my salary in shares.

00:38:20.130 --> 00:38:22.813
Do you think that they would
listen to me and they will do--

00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:25.853
-Did you go to a stock meeting?

00:38:26.020 --> 00:38:31.080
-I was working. I earned $70 a
week and then I had my shares.

00:38:31.290 --> 00:38:32.713
What came at the bank,

00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.863
there was Millions of
Millions of dollars in shares.

00:38:36.030 --> 00:38:42.450
There were very few people
that really own it, that bank.

00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.760
They were the people that really
did what they wanted to do.

00:38:48.090 --> 00:38:51.210
Now in Cuba,
for example, I work at the bank also.

00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.553
I was working,
and I gave my opinion.

00:38:54.720 --> 00:38:57.596
All the workers of one department,
they speak

00:38:57.763 --> 00:38:59.786
and they said,
\"Well, I think this is wrong.

00:38:59.953 --> 00:39:01.963
This is not the way
that we should do this.

00:39:02.130 --> 00:39:03.880
We should do this this way.\"

00:39:04.110 --> 00:39:07.230
That opinion goes to the
president of the bank.

00:39:08.310 --> 00:39:09.763
Even he was himself,

00:39:09.930 --> 00:39:13.800
the president of the bank was
sitting with you at that meeting,

00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:15.660
just like him right now.

00:39:16.140 --> 00:39:19.890
He is not a student,
he’s one of the professor.

00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.443
I can give him my opinions
and I can tell you, \"Look,

00:39:23.610 --> 00:39:28.260
I think the way that classes
are given here are not correct.\"

00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.817
Do you think that a student at New
York or a capitalist can do that?

00:39:32.984 --> 00:39:33.927
-He sure can.

00:39:34.094 --> 00:39:37.334
Premier Smallwood created a
university in Newfoundland.

00:39:39.180 --> 00:39:40.603
Once that university was finished,

00:39:40.770 --> 00:39:42.673
the first people to
surround his parliamentary

00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.871
building with placards and
with marchers, with protestors,

00:39:46.038 --> 00:39:49.960
were the same students who
were demanding certain things.

00:39:50.127 --> 00:39:57.127
[music]

00:39:57.459 --> 00:40:03.338
[background noises]

00:40:05.777 --> 00:40:08.803
-We’ve just heard a word from
Fidel’s Chief of Protocol.

00:40:08.970 --> 00:40:11.844
The interview is on we’ll
have a whole day with him.

00:40:12.011 --> 00:40:14.454
-Fantastic. Nectar of the gods.

00:40:15.220 --> 00:40:17.328
-To celebrate we’re going for a swim

00:40:17.495 --> 00:40:19.870
and to look at the
site of an invasion.

00:40:20.325 --> 00:40:27.325
[background noises]

00:40:37.482 --> 00:40:39.128
-Stirling is anxious to get back.

00:40:39.295 --> 00:40:41.983
He has an appointment
next week in Thailand.

00:40:44.040 --> 00:40:47.430
Joey now has enough questions
to fill a small book.

00:40:50.640 --> 00:40:53.820
-It reverses the body against
the gravitational pull,

00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:56.443
opens up the organs
in the body and allows

00:40:56.610 --> 00:41:00.493
them to relax and then
reverse themselves,

00:41:00.660 --> 00:41:03.410
and therefore it makes
the body more healthy.

00:41:04.170 --> 00:41:07.123
-The Cuban people
are materially better

00:41:07.290 --> 00:41:09.913
off and even better off in
health and in education,

00:41:10.080 --> 00:41:13.200
but they have no freedom.

00:41:14.460 --> 00:41:19.560
Would that be a truthful statement
to be made about Cuba today?

00:41:22.815 --> 00:41:24.753
-Well, every time gold goes up-

00:41:25.176 --> 00:41:25.990
-It’s gone up.

00:41:26.157 --> 00:41:28.770
--$10 an ounce,
we make a Million dollars.

00:41:29.490 --> 00:41:30.973
-You made a Million
or your companies

00:41:31.140 --> 00:41:32.508
have made a Million
in the last week?

00:41:32.675 --> 00:41:33.675
-Yes.

00:41:33.902 --> 00:41:36.903
-I think you should present
every nickel of that to Cuba.

00:41:37.070 --> 00:41:37.607
-You do?

00:41:37.774 --> 00:41:38.110
-Yes.

00:41:38.277 --> 00:41:39.823
-I wouldn’t. If I’m going
to present it to anybody,

00:41:39.990 --> 00:41:41.053
I’m gonna present
it to my corporation

00:41:41.220 --> 00:41:43.677
to expand television
throughout Newfoundland.

00:41:43.844 --> 00:41:44.916
That’s where it’s going.

00:41:45.083 --> 00:41:49.097
-Why don’t you ask Fidel for a
license to start television in Cuba?

00:41:49.264 --> 00:41:50.952
-Because I know his answer.

00:41:51.922 --> 00:41:53.091
-You don’t know until you ask him.

00:41:53.258 --> 00:41:56.438
-Well, I have a pretty good
comprehension, let us say,

00:41:56.730 --> 00:41:58.843
but there is still 20,000
Newfoundlanders, Joseph,

00:41:59.010 --> 00:42:02.070
who can’t get television anywhere.
Either CBC or us.

00:42:02.580 --> 00:42:03.245
-You want to spend it--

00:42:03.412 --> 00:42:05.113
-It would cost at least
a Million or maybe it’ll

00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.963
cost actually about 3
Million to cover them.

00:42:08.130 --> 00:42:11.100
-But then if gold goes to 160,
you’re covered?

00:42:12.150 --> 00:42:14.275
-If it’d go to 170, we’re covered.

00:42:14.971 --> 00:42:18.703
-This is Cuba,
and the Bay of Pigs area to the South

00:42:18.870 --> 00:42:20.342
coast of the middle province.

00:42:20.509 --> 00:42:27.060
That’s [?]. Now, this map shows first
the recruiting office in Miami City.

00:42:29.310 --> 00:42:33.445
It’ll route to Guatemala
where they had the training

00:42:33.612 --> 00:42:39.493
camp from Puerto Cabezas,
and they came straight to Cuba.

00:42:39.660 --> 00:42:41.660
They hit Cuba on the South coast

00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.373
of the middle of Cuba at
the Bay of Pigs -What date?

00:42:45.540 --> 00:42:47.227
-On the 17th April, they landed.

00:42:47.394 --> 00:42:48.242
-What year?

00:42:48.409 --> 00:42:49.646
-1961.

00:42:50.086 --> 00:42:54.901
[background noises]

00:42:55.068 --> 00:42:59.593
-Twice, Cube’s been invaded
in past 20 years and less.

00:43:01.052 --> 00:43:03.309
The first time by Fidel Castro.

00:43:04.075 --> 00:43:06.263
The second time by John F. Kennedy.

00:43:08.054 --> 00:43:12.313
-Do you know that according to the
inside-The Invisible Government,

00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.613
that it seemed to have been
the whole ploy was sort

00:43:15.780 --> 00:43:18.463
of a thing meant to take
place before the election?

00:43:18.630 --> 00:43:20.263
The invasion of Cuba
would’ve been the big issue

00:43:20.430 --> 00:43:23.773
with the Kennedy-Nixon-
the invasion taking place,

00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:25.266
that Nixon would’ve
won by a walkout?

00:43:25.433 --> 00:43:27.716
-Yes. Well, it didn’t work, did it?

00:43:27.883 --> 00:43:34.883
[music]

00:43:46.062 --> 00:43:48.416
-Something has gone wrong.

00:43:49.561 --> 00:43:53.221
The streets are full of color,
but it’s nothing to do with us.

00:43:54.990 --> 00:43:58.423
Honecker, the Head of the
Government of East Germany,

00:43:58.590 --> 00:44:01.428
arrives to monopolize Fidel’s time.

00:44:01.595 --> 00:44:08.595
[music]

00:44:08.922 --> 00:44:13.159
[background noises]

00:44:13.596 --> 00:44:18.812
-[Spanish language]

00:44:18.979 --> 00:44:25.979
[cheering]

00:44:31.076 --> 00:44:38.076
[music]

00:44:45.250 --> 00:44:48.125
-Money doesn’t talk here, you
can’t buy unless you’re with Fidel.

00:44:48.292 --> 00:44:49.480
-Power talks anywhere.

00:44:49.647 --> 00:44:52.123
When I saw Mrs. Gandhi in India,
when she made an appointment,

00:44:52.290 --> 00:44:55.033
she went-she has a country
of 550 Million people,

00:44:55.200 --> 00:44:56.880
and she was there on time.

00:44:57.975 --> 00:45:01.155
-Relations between Geoff and
myself are deteriorating.

00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.920
Stirling is worried about his
financial stake in this film.

00:45:05.396 --> 00:45:10.573
-Because I believe regardless
of how much money anybody has,

00:45:10.740 --> 00:45:12.373
it’s academic when
you’re making a film.

00:45:12.540 --> 00:45:15.290
The film itself has to
stand on its own feet.

00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:19.260
Unless the film can return
the cost of making the film-

00:45:19.835 --> 00:45:23.083
-He’s been leaving me messages.
This morning, I got one on tape.

00:45:23.250 --> 00:45:27.883
--the rationale to say that
some things are worth doing,

00:45:28.050 --> 00:45:29.443
although they can’t
bring their money back.

00:45:29.610 --> 00:45:33.043
I can’t buy that any more
than they can buy the Beatles.

00:45:33.210 --> 00:45:36.270
If the Beatles couldn’t
sell as a very successful--

00:45:37.192 --> 00:45:38.983
-I think we should
discuss this on film,

00:45:39.150 --> 00:45:40.783
because I think this is
a fundamental difference.

00:45:40.950 --> 00:45:43.167
-I think it’s a very
basic difference.

00:45:43.334 --> 00:45:45.823
-I have nothing against
films making a profit,

00:45:45.990 --> 00:45:47.803
I think it’s great if they do,

00:45:47.970 --> 00:45:49.903
but that is not the
rationale of the film board.

00:45:50.070 --> 00:45:51.728
-Yes, but we’re dealing
with taxpayers money.

00:45:51.895 --> 00:45:52.843
-We are at the film board.

00:45:53.010 --> 00:45:55.663
-There’s a lot of children
who could get an education,

00:45:55.830 --> 00:45:59.010
who could get their bodies
repaired if we waste money.

00:45:59.700 --> 00:46:01.603
Now if we shoot a film,

00:46:01.770 --> 00:46:05.233
and I have been on many film crews
and I’ve had the same problem,

00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.275
and they started to overshoot.

00:46:07.680 --> 00:46:12.240
Now the film was to be done of
Castro for national release,

00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:14.443
in which I made it
very plain at the film

00:46:14.610 --> 00:46:16.423
board that we were
going to break even.

00:46:16.590 --> 00:46:19.483
In my opinion, all we need now
is an hour of Castro and we’ve

00:46:19.650 --> 00:46:20.806
got what I came down with
the film crew finished.

00:46:20.973 --> 00:46:22.976
-We agreed about that.
We agree about an hour of Castro

00:46:23.143 --> 00:46:24.463
and we agree that it’s a
film makes the-- -[crosstalk]

00:46:24.630 --> 00:46:27.227
me and the film board $5 Million,
I couldn’t care less, Okay,

00:46:27.394 --> 00:46:28.080
you got three minutes.

00:46:28.247 --> 00:46:29.036
-Let me talk for a bit, okay.

00:46:29.203 --> 00:46:31.455
-33. Exactly even time.

00:46:32.221 --> 00:46:33.943
-What I’m trying to
say to you is that

00:46:34.110 --> 00:46:35.833
I hope that the film makes a profit,

00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.683
but the profit can be measured
in other ways besides money.

00:46:38.850 --> 00:46:42.133
What we’re trying to do is
make a film that is profitable

00:46:42.300 --> 00:46:44.563
in the sense of relationships
between two countries,

00:46:44.730 --> 00:46:46.755
and that to me is
far more important.

00:46:46.922 --> 00:46:49.123
-Mike, there’s two different things
here you’ve got to understand.

00:46:49.290 --> 00:46:53.520
The film board’s position of
shooting films that has a value,

00:46:53.910 --> 00:46:55.633
other than the films
that we are doing,

00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:59.143
this is absolutely a
different experiment.

00:46:59.310 --> 00:47:01.333
It was set up as an experiment,
Mike.

00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.623
Well,
you may not have been at the meeting.

00:47:02.790 --> 00:47:04.093
-It was never told to me that way.
[crosstalk]

00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:05.743
-That’s your problem,
but I’m telling you now,

00:47:05.910 --> 00:47:07.693
because I happen to be the
guy that’s paying the bread

00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:10.513
for that tape that’s running
and that film that’s running.

00:47:10.680 --> 00:47:13.213
I’m telling you, it was set up as an
experiment to see if we could bring

00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.033
in a film that was good
enough for at least an NBC.

00:47:16.200 --> 00:47:19.003
If you go over as I know,
I’ve had too many camera crews

00:47:19.170 --> 00:47:21.108
and my instructions are
three to one in color,

00:47:21.275 --> 00:47:22.766
five to one in black, and we tops.

00:47:22.933 --> 00:47:25.790
-Why did you come to the film board?
You know we do 20 to one.

00:47:25.957 --> 00:47:27.242
-[chuckles] Not with me you don’t.

00:47:27.409 --> 00:47:28.471
-Why didn’t you say that?

00:47:28.638 --> 00:47:29.252
-It’s your problem.

00:47:29.419 --> 00:47:30.673
-Why didn’t you say
that in those meetings?

00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:32.584
-Because it never entered my
head to try to shoot 20 to one.

00:47:32.751 --> 00:47:33.648
-Well, I’m sorry.

00:47:33.815 --> 00:47:36.103
-You shoot-- Mike, to tell me-- Look,
now just a minute, Mike.

00:47:36.270 --> 00:47:37.873
Maybe you’re going to spend the
rest of your life as a graying-

00:47:38.040 --> 00:47:39.589
-When this film is finished
it’s going to be 25 to one.

00:47:39.756 --> 00:47:42.176
--as a good,
graying, fat guy who has never ever

00:47:42.343 --> 00:47:44.383
done anything under 25 to one,
but if it is,

00:47:44.550 --> 00:47:45.823
Mike, you are so far out of it,

00:47:45.990 --> 00:47:48.703
man, as a producer that
you-- This is a-joke.

00:47:48.870 --> 00:47:51.553
-Look, you think it’s somehow
a-- -It’s just a [?] 25 to one.

00:47:51.720 --> 00:47:54.353
Mike, for the love of-man,
you’ve got to be kidding me.

00:47:54.520 --> 00:47:56.114
25 to one to put a film on?

00:47:56.281 --> 00:47:56.799
-Yes.

00:47:56.966 --> 00:47:58.982
-How much-talent have you got?

00:47:59.149 --> 00:48:00.073
If you can’t shoot less than that?

00:48:00.240 --> 00:48:01.063
-This isn’t a question of talent.

00:48:01.230 --> 00:48:02.503
-If you’ve got a script together,
man,

00:48:02.670 --> 00:48:04.123
and you know what you’re
going to put together,

00:48:04.290 --> 00:48:05.489
you need three to
one on the outside.

00:48:05.656 --> 00:48:07.326
-Bull-absolute bull--Who
in the hell are you kidding?

00:48:07.493 --> 00:48:10.358
Well, come and meet a few
professional directors,

00:48:10.525 --> 00:48:14.773
they’ll laugh at you. If I told them
25-- Wait until they see this film.

00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:17.293
They’ll say,
\"My God, who was that guy?

00:48:17.460 --> 00:48:19.303
What did he call
himself a film-- On what

00:48:19.470 --> 00:48:22.033
grounds does he call
himself a filmmaker?\"

00:48:33.570 --> 00:48:36.453
-You’re feeling a bit frustrated,
Joe?

00:48:36.672 --> 00:48:43.593
-Yes. I still have faith.
I have faith in Fidel.

00:48:44.474 --> 00:48:48.139
In fact, doesn’t Fidel mean faith?

00:48:48.681 --> 00:48:49.586
-That’s right. Fidelity,

00:48:49.753 --> 00:48:51.026
-Fidelity. Fidel.

00:48:51.193 --> 00:48:52.243
-That’s right.

00:48:53.161 --> 00:48:54.911
-He has faith, I have faith.

00:48:57.720 --> 00:49:00.913
I must ask him what the
name Fidel means when

00:49:01.080 --> 00:49:03.955
I’m going to ask him
about his religious faith.

00:49:04.832 --> 00:49:06.983
I’ll ask him,
because it’s is very name.

00:49:07.150 --> 00:49:08.555
-That’s a new question you have.

00:49:08.722 --> 00:49:10.372
That’s a new question.

00:49:10.594 --> 00:49:11.787
-Yes.

00:49:15.787 --> 00:49:19.273
I’m prepared to understand, prepared
to make all kinds of reasons,

00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:24.780
even excuses, because I had a
job once, something like his job,

00:49:25.650 --> 00:49:28.525
a bit like it.
I had a cabinet, he has a cabin.

00:49:29.190 --> 00:49:34.783
I had ministers, he had ministers,
and responsibilities, and cares,

00:49:34.950 --> 00:49:36.507
and concerns, and--

00:49:36.674 --> 00:49:43.674
[background noises] [phone ringing]

00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:51.519
-Yes.

00:49:52.054 --> 00:49:53.845
[indistinct conversation]

00:49:54.012 --> 00:49:59.153
Yes?
Yes, yes. Reception? Fine, fine.

00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:03.801
Yes. I’m sorry, I have no dark suit.

00:50:04.707 --> 00:50:07.842
I say, \"I have no dark suit.\"

00:50:10.699 --> 00:50:12.887
-Look, why don’t you try it anyway?

00:50:13.379 --> 00:50:15.305
Just any formal thing. Black.

00:50:15.959 --> 00:50:17.716
Looks like you need it,
for goodness sakes.

00:50:17.883 --> 00:50:19.383
-Hey, Geoff. Come up here. Quick.

00:50:19.550 --> 00:50:21.041
Something interesting’s happening.

00:50:21.208 --> 00:50:25.003
The only suit in our entire party
belongs to the assistant cameraman,

00:50:25.170 --> 00:50:30.270
Al Morgan, who in fact, is travelling
with three suits, 17 shirts,

00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:33.630
25 ties,
and several bottles of Scotch.

00:50:34.177 --> 00:50:37.538
-Try it on for once. [?]

00:50:37.974 --> 00:50:40.662
-I’d like to have a
coat to go to the thing.

00:50:41.763 --> 00:50:43.616
-Pretty good.

00:50:43.783 --> 00:50:46.387
-I’d rather wear my
own pants [crosstalk]

00:50:46.716 --> 00:50:49.423
-If you’re gonna go onboard,
things go right.

00:50:49.590 --> 00:50:50.590
All the way through the whole day.

00:50:50.757 --> 00:50:51.786
-It’ll be too big.
They’re gonna be too big.

00:50:51.953 --> 00:50:53.093
-Fill them up.

00:50:53.260 --> 00:50:56.090
-You’re bigger than I am,
aren’t you?

00:50:56.257 --> 00:50:57.206
-Never mind.

00:50:57.373 --> 00:50:59.826
You’re gonna make me feel good for
goodness’ sake, if these things fit.

00:50:59.993 --> 00:51:01.149
-It fits you like a glove, Joe.

00:51:01.316 --> 00:51:03.503
Too bad it doesn’t you like a suit.

00:51:03.670 --> 00:51:05.452
-That’s the problem.

00:51:05.619 --> 00:51:07.653
-[laughs]

00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:09.924
-Hey.

00:51:10.091 --> 00:51:15.823
[?] I’m not going to be able to tell
anybody about this, you know that?

00:51:15.990 --> 00:51:17.015
I’m not going to be able
to tell anybody this.

00:51:17.182 --> 00:51:18.175
-It’s gonna be a secret.

00:51:18.342 --> 00:51:20.896
I cant go around in--
I feel like a [?]

00:51:21.063 --> 00:51:24.720
-I don’t want to hurt the
feelings of your previous tailors,

00:51:25.290 --> 00:51:27.253
but I suggest that the
pants you now have on fits

00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:29.256
you better than anything
I’ve seen you in in 25 years.

00:51:29.423 --> 00:51:36.423
[crosstalk] [laughter]

00:51:38.625 --> 00:51:41.865
-Joey will make it to the
State reception for Honecker.

00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:44.978
-Bring him back alive.

00:51:46.076 --> 00:51:53.076
[music]

00:52:04.053 --> 00:52:05.928
-We’re now into the third day.

00:52:06.690 --> 00:52:08.547
Well, I don’t know about you fellows,
but if that’s

00:52:08.714 --> 00:52:11.502
an indication of certain
elements within the new system,

00:52:11.669 --> 00:52:14.089
then I think the
new system-- [music]

00:52:23.013 --> 00:52:28.210
-I think it’s okay.
I think we’ve got it. What a night.

00:52:28.830 --> 00:52:30.570
There are 800 people there.

00:52:30.930 --> 00:52:33.180
Diplomats from all around the world.

00:52:33.780 --> 00:52:37.410
Here was Fidel and Honecker
from Germany lined up.

00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:41.100
I go in, and I get the
second bear hug of my life.

00:52:41.790 --> 00:52:43.915
Once before only I had a bear hug.

00:52:44.220 --> 00:52:46.723
That was in the White House,
Richard Nixon.

00:52:46.890 --> 00:52:49.740
Tonight, I get it from Fidel.

00:52:50.130 --> 00:52:54.373
I said,
\"Fidel, we’re here from Canada.

00:52:54.540 --> 00:52:58.800
Seven of us from the
National Film Board.

00:52:59.220 --> 00:53:02.280
We’ve got the best equipment
there is in the world.\"

00:53:02.550 --> 00:53:05.425
I said, \"Enough-a lot
of money is being spent.\"

00:53:06.450 --> 00:53:11.160
I say, \"We’ve got 20,000
feet shot already, in color.\"

00:53:11.850 --> 00:53:14.143
I said,
\"This is useless without you.

00:53:14.310 --> 00:53:17.383
We’ve got to have you.
We’ve got to have an interview,

00:53:17.550 --> 00:53:19.123
and we’re going to build
the whole thing around you.\"

00:53:19.290 --> 00:53:21.930
He said, \"All right.\"

00:53:22.290 --> 00:53:24.515
\"All right,\",
but I said, \"The plane is coming

00:53:24.682 --> 00:53:30.150
tomorrow night and we’re off.\"
I brought up reinforcements.

00:53:30.450 --> 00:53:32.439
I saw the Canadian ambassador,

00:53:32.606 --> 00:53:38.490
Mr. Bull. He said, \"I’ll do what I
can.\" I saw the Chief of Protocol.

00:53:38.910 --> 00:53:41.285
He said he would talk
to Fidel tonight.

00:53:41.790 --> 00:53:44.790
Then, I talked with the
representative of the Pope,

00:53:45.259 --> 00:53:48.839
the bishop,
and the Apostolic Delegate.

00:53:49.006 --> 00:53:51.253
I didn’t talk exactly about that.

00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:53.670
I talked about other
things with him.

00:53:55.560 --> 00:53:57.248
I was very much encouraged.

00:53:57.900 --> 00:54:04.753
I said to him, \"Do you think that
the government of Fidel Castro,

00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:10.680
the Communist government of Cuba,
are really working,

00:54:11.250 --> 00:54:16.500
really striving for the
good of the people of Cuba?

00:54:17.580 --> 00:54:21.750
What would your answer be?\"
He said, \"Of course.\"

00:54:22.860 --> 00:54:25.360
I said, \"They are?\"
He said, \"Of course.\"

00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:29.340
I thought that was at least
impressive, to say the least.

00:54:30.270 --> 00:54:32.520
-That’s why he’d
been there 13 years.

00:54:35.228 --> 00:54:38.830
-This is why the Holy
Father has left him here.

00:54:39.267 --> 00:54:40.277
-Of course.

00:54:41.369 --> 00:54:43.267
[laughs]

00:54:44.873 --> 00:54:51.873
[background noise]

00:55:03.247 --> 00:55:10.247
[music]

00:56:00.899 --> 00:56:04.666
-We’re taking all the
stuff to the airport.

00:56:04.833 --> 00:56:06.671
-We’re going on somewhere else.

00:56:06.838 --> 00:56:08.290
What have you decided to do?

00:56:08.457 --> 00:56:09.052
-Home.

00:56:09.219 --> 00:56:10.219
-Home.

00:56:10.799 --> 00:56:12.293
-I was very pleased
indeed to meet him.

00:56:12.460 --> 00:56:13.693
Will you tell him that?

00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:14.573
-I will certainly do so.

00:56:14.740 --> 00:56:18.553
-I like to say too that I think
that we just thank the Cuban

00:56:18.720 --> 00:56:23.773
government for the exceptionally
warm hospitality we’ve received here.

00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:26.975
We couldn’t have received more
courtesy and more hospitality from

00:56:27.142 --> 00:56:31.226
all members of the translating staff
and the members of the ministry.

00:56:31.393 --> 00:56:33.034
-That’s true.

00:56:33.692 --> 00:56:36.911
[background noise]

00:56:37.078 --> 00:56:38.171
-Waiting for Fidel.

00:56:38.338 --> 00:56:39.530
-That’s the film we have right now.

00:56:39.697 --> 00:56:45.392
-That’s a good film.
Waiting for Fidel. Goodbye.

00:56:46.596 --> 00:56:48.003
I’d like to take some of
Fidel’s weather with us.

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-Have a good trip.

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-Vamos.

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-[Spanish language]

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[applause]