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FOR ME, I DIDN\'T REALLY
REALIZE THAT WAS SEXUAL ABUSE

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WHAT I WAS DOING
TO MY CHILDREN,

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BECAUSE IT WAS GOING
ON IN THE COMMUNITY,

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THE LITTLE COMMUNITY
OF LONG BODY.

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I LOOKED AT IT,
IT WAS LIKE A GAME

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CAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE WAS
DOING IT IN THE COMMUNITY.

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Narrator: THE EASTERN SHORES
OF LAKE WINNIPEG IN CENTRAL

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MANITOBA - BEAUTIFUL, PEACEFUL,
AN IDEAL PLACE TO CALL HOME.

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BUT IN THIS COMMUNITY,
HOME HAS BEEN A NIGHTMARE,

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ESPECIALLY FOR CHILDREN.

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A PLACE WHERE SECRETS AND
SILENCE IMPRISONED YOUNG

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AND OLD ALIKE.

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MY NAME IS TINA MASON.

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THIS IS A STORY OF A
COMMUNITY, AND A FAMILY

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AND THEIR STRUGGLE
TO CONFRONT THE TRUTH.

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(♪ music ♪)

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Narrator: HOLLOW WATER
IS AN OJIBWAY RESERVE

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200 KILOMETERS
NORTH OF WINNIPEG.

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FOUR HUNDRED AND
FIFTY PEOPLE LIVE HERE.

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TWO-THIRDS OF THEM ARE THE
VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE.

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THE OFFENDERS ARE
GRANDPARENTS, MOTHERS, FATHERS,

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AUNTS, UNCLES, COUSINS.

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FEW IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE
ESCAPED THE PAIN OF THIS

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BETRAYAL AND FOR DECADES
THEY\'VE KEPT IT BURIED.

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BERMA BUSHIE KEPT IT HIDDEN,
EVEN FROM HERSELF.

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AS A GRANDMOTHER AND
CHILD AND FAMILY COUNSELLOR,

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SHE KNEW SOMETHING
WAS TERRIBLY WRONG,

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BUT SHE HAD NO IDEA
WHAT LAY BEHIND IT.

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UP UNTIL 10 YEARS AGO,
WE WERE RUSHING DOWN RIVER

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AND THERE WAS NOBODY
THERE TO STOP US.

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AND WHATEVER WAS BROUGHT INTO
THE COMMUNITY WASN\'T WORKING,

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ALL THE OUTSIDE PROGRAMS
AND OUTSIDE SYSTEMS,

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NONE OF THAT WAS WORKING.

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AND SO OUR GENERATION,

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IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE THE ONES
THAT HAVE TO SWIM UP CURRENT.

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Narrator: DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,
ADDICTION AND SUICIDE

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WERE TEARING HOLLOW WATER APART.

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AND MANY BLAMED THE RESIDENTIAL
SCHOOLS, THE WELFARE SYSTEM

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AND THE LOSS OF TRADITIONS
FOR THEIR PROBLEMS.

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JOYCE BUSHIE AND VALDIE
SEYMOUR WERE ALSO CONCERNED

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AND WANTED TO DO
SOMETHING TO HELP.

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BUT THEY HAD THEIR OWN PROBLEMS.

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THEY HAD THE SKILLS TO MAKE
A DIFFERENCE, BUT LIKE BERMA,

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THEY WERE BARELY COPING
WITH THEIR OWN LIVES.

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I THINK WHILE WE WERE DRUNK WE
COULD TALK ABOUT THE PROBLEMS,

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SO AT SOME LEVEL WE WERE AWARE
THAT THINGS HAD TO CHANGE.

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WE JUST DIDN\'T HAVE THE, WE
DIDN\'T HAVE WHATEVER IT TOOK

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TO CHANGE BECAUSE OUR OWN
PROBLEMS WERE SO OVERWHELMING.

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I USED TO BATTER UP MY KIDS.

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THAT\'S WHY I SAY I
DON\'T LIKE REMEMBERING

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THAT PART OF MY LIFE,

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BUT THAT\'S WHAT HAPPENED.

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I\'D HAVE PARTIES IN MY
HOUSE AND SCARE MY CHILDREN.

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THAT THERE WAS EVEN ABUSE
GOING ON IN MY OWN HOME

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I DIDN\'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.

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Interviewer: WHERE WERE
THE ELDERS IN ALL THIS?

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I THINK A LOT OF THE ELDERS
WERE PART OF THE PROBLEM

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THEMSELVES AND THE ALCOHOL
THAT HAPPENED IN THE COMMUNITY,

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CAUSE I REMEMBER DRINKING
WITH SOME OF THE ELDERS.

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THEN WE WERE
TALKING ABOUT,

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WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO
WITH THIS COMMUNITY?

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I SAID THIS COMMUNITY
IS GOING CRAZY.

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THERE\'S ELDER ABUSE,
THERE\'S SNIFFING GOING ON,

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ABSENTEEISM,
ALCOHOLISM VERY HIGH,

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BUT THERE WAS ONE THING
THAT WAS NEVER DISCUSSED,

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THAT WAS SEXUAL ABUSE.

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THAT WAS OUT.

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Narrator: VALDIE QUIT DRINKING
AND CONVINCED BERMA AND JOYCE,

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AND A GROUP OF OTHERS TO ATTEND
AN ALCOHOL TREATMENT PROGRAM

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IN ALKALI LAKE, B.C.

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IT WAS THERE THEY
FINALLY FACED THE TRUTH.

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AT THAT STAGE, ALL WE WERE
ABLE TO SAY WAS WE WERE ABUSED,

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BUT WE WERE NOT SAYING
THAT SEXUAL ABUSE,

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LIKE WE WOULDN\'T EVEN SAY
THE WORD BECAUSE IT WAS SO,

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I DON\'T KNOW, REALLY
HORRIBLE ANYWAY, THOSE DAYS.

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WE WERE BARELY KEEPING
OUR HEADS ABOVE WATER

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BECAUSE A LOT OF US FOR THE
FIRST TIME WERE TALKING

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ABOUT OUR OWN ABUSE AND OUR
CHILDREN WERE ALSO DISCLOSING

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ABOUT FAMILY MEMBERS.

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SO CAN YOU IMAGINE THE
STATE THE COMMUNITY WAS AT?

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AND WE AS HELPERS, OR CARE
GIVERS, I DON\'T KNOW HOW,

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WITHOUT A TEAM, THERE\'S NO
WAY I WOULD HAVE SURVIVED.

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Narrator: THE GROUP HAD
RETURNED TO HOLLOW WATER

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DETERMINED TO TALK
OPENLY ABOUT THEIR ABUSE.

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THEY STARTED HOLDING WORKSHOPS.

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ONE OF THEM WAS IN
THE LOCAL SCHOOL.

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THEY HAD MORE
THAN 60 DISCLOSURES.

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THEY WERE OVERWHELMED
AND DESPERATE

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TO PROVIDE COUNSELLING
FOR THE CHILDREN.

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BUT WHAT ABOUT THEIR OFFENDERS?

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WHAT WERE THEY GOING
TO DO ABOUT THEM?

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WE COULDN\'T JUST
WORK WITH THE VICTIM,

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WE ALSO HAD TO WORK WITH THE
OFFENDER BECAUSE WE FELT THAT

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THE OFFENDER WAS THE
CORE OF THE PROBLEM.

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AND TO DEAL WITH VICTIMS
ALONE AS IS DONE IN SOCIETY

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AND NOT DEALING
WITH THE OFFENDER,

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YOU\'RE ONLY DEALING
WITH HALF THE PROBLEM,

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SO IT REALLY HELPED US
SEE THE TOTAL PICTURE.

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NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALS,

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BUT WE ALSO HAD TO WORK
WITH THE FAMILIES OF BOTH.

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WE LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY,

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OFFENDERS LIVE
IN THAT COMMUNITY,

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THERE\'S NO WAY THOSE OFFENDERS
CAN BE PUT ASIDE OUTSIDE

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OUR COMMUNITY,
WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM.

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Narrator: RICHARD AND
DEBRA KENNEDY WERE ACCUSED

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OF SEXUALLY ABUSING
2 OF THEIR 5 CHILDREN.

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BY LAW,

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THEY WERE THE RESPONSIBILITY
OF THE MANITOBA JUSTICE SYSTEM,

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BUT THAT APPROACH HAD NOT
STOPPED ABUSE IN THE PAST,

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NOR HAD IT REHABILITATED ANYONE.

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YOU CAN MAKE PEOPLE
ACCOUNTABLE AND

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HAVE THE HEALING
STILL TAKE PLACE.

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BUT PUNISHING PEOPLE AND TELLING
THEM THAT THEY NEEDED TO

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HEAL, DIDN\'T MAKE SENSE
FOR US, IT DIDN\'T FIT.

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WE GOT ARRESTED IN THE MORNING

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AND WE WERE CHARGED WITH
SEXUALLY ABUSING OUR CHILDREN.

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WITH VANESSA AND A DIFFERENT
INCIDENT WITH MY DAUGHTER MONA.

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AND WE BOTH SPENT
THE LONG WEEKEND,

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THE LABOUR DAY WEEKEND, IN JAIL.

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Narrator: THE KENNEDYS
REFUSED TO ADMIT THEIR GUILT

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EVEN THOUGH THEIR 2 DAUGHTERS
HAD FOUND THE COURAGE

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TO SPEAK OUT.

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BERMA AND HER COLLEAGUES
BELIEVED THE CHILDREN

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AND WERE DETERMINED TO BREAK
DOWN THEIR PARENT\'S DENIAL.

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THEY ASKED THAT
INSTEAD OF A TRIAL,

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THE KENNEDYS BE RETURNED
TO HOLLOW WATER.

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THE CHILDREN WOULD BE
PLACED IN FOSTER HOMES

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TO ENSURE THEIR SAFETY.

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IF HOLLOW WATER COULDN\'T FIND
A WAY TO MAKE THE COUPLE ADMIT

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THEIR GUILT, THEY WOULD BE
RETURNED TO THE COURTS.

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IT WAS A BOLD STEP
AND NOT WITHOUT RISK,

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BUT THE CROWN
ATTORNEY\'S OFFICE AGREED.

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RICHARD AND DEB WERE
GIVEN A 2 YEAR PROBATION.

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I FELL INTO THAT DENIAL SYSTEM.

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I TOLD PEOPLE THAT THE
CHARGES WEREN\'T TRUE.

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I EVEN LIED TO MYSELF SAYING
THAT THEY WEREN\'T TRUE.

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I UNDERSTOOD WHY MY CHILDREN
WERE TAKEN WITH MY CHARGES,

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BUT IT WAS VERY HARD TO
BELIEVE MY HUSBAND\'S CHARGES.

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I TRIED TO FIND A WAY TO COME
OUT OF THAT AND TELL THE TRUTH.

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THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT,
THE MORE LIES I PICKED UP.

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Narrator: THERE WERE MORE THAN
THE KENNEDYS NEEDING HELP,

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BUT THE COMMUNITY
LACKED COUNSELLORS.

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WORKSHOPS AND TRAINING
PROGRAMS WERE HELD AND

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THE WOMEN OF HOLLOW WATER
WERE THE FIRST TO SIGN UP.

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LLOYD BUSHIE WAS
ONE OF THE FEW MEN.

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HIS PRESENCE
CAUSED SOME CONCERN.

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LLOYD WAS A SEX
OFFENDER HIMSELF.

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WHEN THE TRAINING STARTED,
I DIDN\'T KNOW AT THAT TIME

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WHEN I FIRST WALKED IN,
THAT THEY FEARED ME

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BECAUSE OF MY REPUTATION.

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AS TIME WENT ON,

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I REALLY STARTED KNOWING
WHAT WOMEN WERE ALL ABOUT,

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THAT THEY HAVE FEELINGS,
THAT THEY ARE HURT,

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THAT THEY ARE HUMAN,

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THAT THEY\'RE NOT ONLY
FOR ONE THING ONLY.

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BUT IT TOOK A LOT OF THEIR
PERSONAL LIVES FOR ME TO START

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UNDERSTANDING WHAT
WOMEN WERE ALL ABOUT.

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Narrator: LEARNING TO TRUST
ONE ANOTHER WAS AN ONGOING

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STRUGGLE FOR THE
NEW COUNSELLORS,

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SO WAS DECIDING THEIR APPROACH.

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TEAMS WERE SET UP TO
DEAL WITH DISCLOSURES AND

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PROVIDE COUNSELLING FOR
THE VICTIMS, OFFENDERS

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AND THEIR FAMILIES.

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LLOYD\'S TASK WAS TO
CONFRONT THE OFFENDERS.

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HE USUALLY DEALT WITH
THE MORE DIFFICULT ONES.

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RICHARD KENNEDY, TO ME, WAS THE
TOUGHEST ONE I EVER DEALT WITH.

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I DID A LOT OF CHASING,
A LOT OF HOUNDING HIM.

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I\'D LET HIM GO.

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I TOLD MYSELF HE\'S
GOING TO HANG HIMSELF,

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GIVE HIM ENOUGH ROPE,
ENOUGH ROOM, ENOUGH LEAD WAY.

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I\'VE WATCHED THIS
COUPLE CHANGE...

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Narrator: JANET COOK ALSO
COUNSELLED THE KENNEDYS.

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IN FACT, WHEN THEY
WERE FIRST CONFRONTED,

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THEY WERE VERY ANGRY,
THEY DENIED AND EVERYTHING.

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THEY THREATENED US
WITH EVERYTHING.

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THEY THREATENED US WITH BAD
MEDICINE AND DOWN THE ROAD,

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THEY ALSO ADMITTED THAT
THE THINGS THEY USED TO TRY

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AND DO TO US.

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LIKE EVEN, TRY AND LOOSEN
THE WHEELS IN OUR VEHICLES.

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THEY ADMITTED THAT TO US.

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I WANTED TO KNOW WHO
WAS IN IT AS WORKERS.

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I WANTED TO KILL THEM ALL.

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WE WANT TO HELP THEM.

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WE DON\'T BELIEVE IN JAIL CAUSE
THEY DON\'T GET NO HELP IN JAIL

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.
THE WAY WE SEE JAIL SYSTEM
IS SURE, THEY\'LL GO TO JAIL,

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SURE PEOPLE SEE
THAT AS PUNISHMENT,

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BUT WE DON\'T SEE IT THAT
WAY, THAT\'S NOT PUNISHMENT.

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CAUSE THEY GO IN THERE AND
NOTHING HAPPENS IN THERE,

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AND THEY JUST GET
ANGRY AND ANGRY,

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AND THEY COME BACK TO THE
COMMUNITY AND DO THE SAME THING

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OVER AGAIN, SO THAT
CYCLE JUST CONTINUES.

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WHAT WE\'RE TRYING TO DO
IS TO STOP THAT CYCLE,

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TO START HELPING THESE PEOPLE
THAT WE BELIEVE IN HEALING.

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I BELIEVE IN HEALING,
I BELIEVE THEY CAN HEAL.

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Narrator: EVERYONE
WAS WORKING OVERTIME

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AND LEARNING AS THEY WENT.

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AN ASSESSMENT TEAM WAS FORMED

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TO MONITOR HOW THE VICTIMS

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AND OFFENDERS WERE
RESPONDING TO TREATMENT,

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BUT THERE WERE NO GUARANTEES
THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING

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WOULD WORK.

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WHAT IF SOMEONE RE-OFFENDED?

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THE CROWN ATTORNEY\'S OFFICE
WAS KEEPING AN EYE ON THEM,

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SO WAS THE COMMUNITY.

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THEY COULDN\'T AFFORD
TO MAKE MISTAKES

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AND THERE WERE OTHERS
BESIDE RICHARD AND DEB

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WHO WERE MAKING THAT
TASK EVEN HARDER.

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GLEN HAD BEEN TOLD TO STAY
AWAY FROM HIS WIFE MELBA,

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HE HADN\'T.

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THE TEAM DECIDED TO TAKE ACTION.

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THESE ARE HIS
CONDITIONS;

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NOT TO MOVE WITHOUT PRIOR
CONSENT OF THE COURT,

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NO CONTACT OR COMMUNICATION
WITH MELBA CHRISTINE GREEN,

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CURFEW 9:00 PM TO 6:00 AM
SEVEN DAYS A WEEK,

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UNLESS IN THE COMPANY
OF MR. BUSHIE OR

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A MEMBER OF
ASSESSMENT TEAM.

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YOU BROKE YOUR RECOGNIZANCE
I\'VE WARNED YOU OVER AND OVER.

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I\'M NOT AT THE POINT
OF DISCUSSING THAT.

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I HAVE TO PULL IN
MARCEL ON THAT.

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WE\'RE HERE
TO HELP YOU.

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WE\'RE NOT HERE
TO PUNISH YOU,

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BUT YOU HAVE TO
WORK WITH US TOO.

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EVERYTHING THAT\'S WRITTEN
IN THERE GLEN, YOU BROKE IT.

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IF YOU WERE WITH THE
REAL PROBATION OFFICER,

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THE WHITE SOCIETY, WHERE
WOULD YOU BE SITTING TODAY?

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WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO US IF YOU
GO AND BEAT UP MELBA AGAIN?

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AND DON\'T SAY YOU\'RE
NOT GOING TO DO IT,

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CAUSE IT HAPPENS.

00:15:35.542 --> 00:15:36.998
IF YOU CAN DO IT
WHILE YOU\'RE SOBER,

00:15:36.999 --> 00:15:39.998
YOU CAN DO
IT ANY TIME.

00:15:39.999 --> 00:15:43.541
THAT\'S WHAT
I\'M WORRIED ABOUT.

00:15:43.542 --> 00:15:46.541
YOU\'RE JEOPARDIZING
THE PROGRAM AND

00:15:46.542 --> 00:15:50.834
I\'M NOT ABOUT
TO LET THAT GO.

00:15:51.999 --> 00:15:56.998
IF IT MEANS FOR YOU TO
GO BACK TO JAIL, WELL,

00:15:56.999 --> 00:15:59.998
THAT\'S WHAT IT\'LL BE IF
YOU DON\'T WANT TO LISTEN

00:15:59.999 --> 00:16:01.959
TO YOUR
RECOGNIZANCE.

00:16:04.292 --> 00:16:09.374
THERE\'S SOMEBODY THAT\'S
MAKING ME FALL BACK,

00:16:09.375 --> 00:16:12.625
BUT I\'M NOT GOING TO LET THAT
PERSON MAKE ME FALL BACK.

00:16:12.626 --> 00:16:15.208
NOBODY MAKES YOU
FALL BACK, GLEN.

00:16:15.209 --> 00:16:17.958
IT\'S STILL
YOUR CHOICE.

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Narrator: OFFENDERS WERE NOT
GOING TO CHANGE OVER NIGHT.

00:16:22.375 --> 00:16:24.998
AND THE CHANGES THE TEAM
HOPED FOR DEALT WITH MORE

00:16:24.999 --> 00:16:28.124
THAN CHANGING ATTITUDES.

00:16:28.125 --> 00:16:30.998
THEY BELIEVED THAT THE
EMOTIONAL, PHYSICAL AND

00:16:30.999 --> 00:16:34.833
SPIRITUAL WELL-BEING OF A
PERSON NEEDED HEALING AS WELL.

00:16:34.834 --> 00:16:38.998
SUCH AN HOLISTIC HEALING
REQUIRED TIME AND PATIENCE

00:16:38.999 --> 00:16:42.834
FOR THE COUNSELLORS,
AS WELL AS THEIR CLIENTS.

00:16:44.125 --> 00:16:45.667
EVERY TIME I\'D GET MAD, I DRANK.

00:16:51.876 --> 00:16:56.875
I WAS VERY LONESOME
FOR MY CHILDREN.

00:16:56.876 --> 00:16:59.292
I WORKED WITH THE WORKERS
AND I USED TO TAKE OFF,

00:17:01.999 --> 00:17:04.998
AND I USED TO DRINK OFF AND ON.

00:17:04.999 --> 00:17:09.751
I KNOW THERE WAS TIMES THAT THEY
WERE GOING TO GIVE UP ON ME.

00:17:12.626 --> 00:17:17.626
BUT, I GUESS, IN A WAY
THEY DIDN\'T WANT TO.

00:17:19.999 --> 00:17:24.998
THEY KNEW THAT THE
CHARGES WERE TRUE

00:17:24.999 --> 00:17:28.999
AND THEY WANTED TO
BREAK ME OUT OF IT.

00:17:32.999 --> 00:17:37.998
NOBODY THAT COMES ON PROBATION
IS GOING TO TRUST ANYBODY

00:17:37.999 --> 00:17:41.998
RIGHT AWAY, YOU HAVE TO
KEEP SITTING THERE.

00:17:41.999 --> 00:17:46.750
YES, YOU\'RE GOING TO GET ANGRY.

00:17:46.751 --> 00:17:48.416
YOU\'RE GOING TO GET
ANGRY AT THESE PEOPLE

00:17:48.417 --> 00:17:49.998
THAT ARE ON PROBATION.

00:17:49.999 --> 00:17:51.666
YOU\'RE GOING TO BANG
YOUR HEAD ON THE WALL,

00:17:51.667 --> 00:17:53.958
SAY WHAT CAN I DO?

00:17:53.959 --> 00:17:56.791
WHERE DID I GO WRONG?

00:17:56.792 --> 00:17:58.998
BUT YOU TAKE A
LOOK AT YOUR PAST.

00:17:58.999 --> 00:18:01.998
WAS IT EASY FOR YOU TO
TALK ABOUT YOUR OWN LIFE

00:18:01.999 --> 00:18:05.998
IN THE BEGINNING?

00:18:05.999 --> 00:18:07.998
HOW MANY YEARS DID IT TAKE?

00:18:07.999 --> 00:18:09.998
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE FOR
YOU TO START OPENING UP?

00:18:09.999 --> 00:18:14.374
THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST BEGINNING.

00:18:14.375 --> 00:18:17.583
THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE
ON PROBATION, WELL,

00:18:17.584 --> 00:18:20.876
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THEY\'RE
THE BEST MANIPULATORS THERE IS.

00:18:21.459 --> 00:18:26.459
THEY\'RE THE BEST
PEOPLE THAT CAN LIE.

00:18:26.834 --> 00:18:29.999
THEY\'RE THE BEST
THAT HAD POWER AND

00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:31.998
CONTROL OVER THEIR VICTIMS.

00:18:31.999 --> 00:18:34.375
AND YOU EXPECT THEM TO ABIDE
BY THE RULES, RIGHT AWAY?

00:18:38.792 --> 00:18:41.959
WELL, THAT\'S WHAT\'S HAPPENING
WITH THE COMMUNITY TOO.

00:18:43.792 --> 00:18:45.998
THEY GO THROUGH AT
DIFFERENT STAGES.

00:18:45.999 --> 00:18:48.333
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT
BECAUSE THAT COMMUNITY

00:18:48.334 --> 00:18:51.999
WAS A VERY DYSFUNCTIONAL AND
THEY DON\'T KNOW HOW TO BE,

00:18:52.999 --> 00:18:57.998
HOW DO YOU SAY THAT?

00:18:57.999 --> 00:19:00.333
HOW NOT TO BE DYSFUNCTIONAL
BECAUSE THERE\'S NEVER BEEN ANY

00:19:00.334 --> 00:19:04.666
TRAINING OF ANYTHING,
BUT WE HAVE IT,

00:19:04.667 --> 00:19:07.998
WE HAVE IT IN OUR CULTURE.

00:19:07.999 --> 00:19:09.998
THERE\'S TEACHINGS THERE
THAT WE NEED TO BRING IN

00:19:09.999 --> 00:19:12.999
AND THAT\'S WHAT WE\'RE
SLOWLY BRINGING IN.

00:19:14.999 --> 00:19:19.998
Narrator: THERE WERE THOSE IN
THE COMMUNITY WHO KNEW THE WAYS

00:19:19.999 --> 00:19:21.998
OF HOLISTIC HEALING AND
WHO COULD OFFER GUIDANCE.

00:19:21.999 --> 00:19:25.998
BUT THEY HAD REMAINED SILENT.

00:19:25.999 --> 00:19:28.584
MARCEL HARDISTY
THOUGHT HE KNEW WHY.

00:19:30.999 --> 00:19:32.959
PREVIOUS GENERATIONS SHOULD
HAVE BEEN TEACHING US.

00:19:35.999 --> 00:19:38.998
BUT BACK THEN THE CONTROL
BY GOVERNMENT AGENCIES,

00:19:38.999 --> 00:19:43.291
BY SCHOOL, BY CHURCH,
BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS

00:19:43.292 --> 00:19:46.833
WAS SO STRONG THAT OUR PEOPLE
WERE AFRAID TO DO ANYTHING.

00:19:46.834 --> 00:19:51.416
THEY WERE AFRAID TO
PRACTICE THEIR CEREMONIES,

00:19:51.417 --> 00:19:54.334
TEACH THE VALUES AND THE
BELIEFS THAT HAVE SUSTAINED US

00:19:55.417 --> 00:20:00.416
THIS FAR BECAUSE THAT\'S
WHAT KEEPS US GOING,

00:20:00.417 --> 00:20:04.292
KNOWING THOSE VALUES
AND THOSE BELIEFS.

00:20:04.834 --> 00:20:08.584
WHEN YOU PURIFY YOURSELF,
THEN HE LISTENS CLOSELY

00:20:09.834 --> 00:20:13.750
BECAUSE HE\'S SO GREAT.

00:20:13.751 --> 00:20:16.458
IF YOU\'RE DIRTY,
HE WON\'T COME NEAR YOU.

00:20:16.459 --> 00:20:20.998
BUT WHEN YOU PURIFY
YOURSELF WITH SWEETGRASS,

00:20:20.999 --> 00:20:23.833
THEN HE\'LL LISTEN TO YOU.

00:20:23.834 --> 00:20:25.667
Narrator: THE ELDERS
HAD FORGOTTEN,

00:20:26.209 --> 00:20:27.666
OR GIVEN UP THEIR
ROLE AS TEACHERS.

00:20:27.667 --> 00:20:29.998
THE COUNSELLORS FELT IT WAS TIME
THEY TOOK RESPONSIBILITY AGAIN.

00:20:29.999 --> 00:20:34.541
PAULINE PELLY, A CREE
ELDER FROM ALBERTA,

00:20:34.542 --> 00:20:37.208
WAS ASKED TO COME TO THE
COMMUNITY AND SPEAK WITH THEM.

00:20:37.209 --> 00:20:40.416
THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THE
PAST MIGHT HOLD THE KEY

00:20:40.417 --> 00:20:43.998
TO HOLLOW WATER\'S FUTURE.

00:20:43.999 --> 00:20:46.199
AND IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY
AS THE LEADER OF MY CHILDREN

00:20:47.999 --> 00:20:52.998
BECAUSE I LOST MY
HUSBAND 20 YEARS AGO.

00:20:52.999 --> 00:20:57.583
NOW, I AM THE LEADER OF
MY PEOPLE, MY CHILDREN,

00:20:57.584 --> 00:21:01.998
MY GRANDCHILDREN.

00:21:01.999 --> 00:21:06.998
IT\'S UP TO ME TO SET THEM ON THAT PATH OF WHAT I WANT
THEM TO LEARN AND WHAT I WANT THEM TO KNOW ABOUT FAITH,

00:21:06.999 --> 00:21:10.999
ABOUT THEIR WAYS
AS INDIAN PEOPLE.

00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:53.999
Narrator: THE ELDERS WERE
SLOW TO TALK ABOUT THE SACRED

00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:56.041
TEACHINGS, BUT THEY DID
EXPLAIN HOW CONFLICT

00:21:56.042 --> 00:21:58.998
HAD BEEN HANDLED IN THE PAST.

00:21:58.999 --> 00:22:01.998
THERE HAD BEEN A
PLACE WHERE VICTIMS

00:22:01.999 --> 00:22:03.998
AND OFFENDERS CAME TOGETHER.

00:22:03.999 --> 00:22:05.667
THAT PLACE WAS
THE HEALING CIRCLE.

00:22:08.626 --> 00:22:11.584
IN OUR TRADITION,
THE CIRCLE IS SACRED.

00:22:12.584 --> 00:22:15.625
IT REPRESENTS THE CYCLE OF
LIFE, THE MEDICINE WHEEL.

00:22:15.626 --> 00:22:20.458
A PLACE WHERE OPENNESS
AND SHARING ARE ENCOURAGED

00:22:20.459 --> 00:22:23.166
AND EVERYONE IS EQUAL.

00:22:23.167 --> 00:22:25.998
FOR THE TEAM, THE CIRCLE ALSO
SYMBOLIZED THE CYCLE OF HEALING,

00:22:25.999 --> 00:22:29.625
THE NEVER ENDING JOURNEY
TOWARDS WHOLENESS.

00:22:29.626 --> 00:22:32.875
THEY NOW HAD A NAME FOR
THEIR WORK AND THEMSELVES -

00:22:32.876 --> 00:22:36.667
COMMUNITY HOLISTIC CIRCLE
HEALING, OR CHCH FOR SHORT.

00:22:37.999 --> 00:22:41.999
THESE PEOPLE THEY SAY
THAT ARE ON PROBATION

00:22:42.999 --> 00:22:45.998
ARE GETTING OFF EASY,
YOU PUT THEM IN A CIRCLE.

00:22:45.999 --> 00:22:50.875
THAT\'S WHERE THEY STARTED
LEARNING TO BE HONEST.

00:22:50.876 --> 00:22:53.834
WHAT REALLY CHANGED MY DENIAL
WAS THEY HAD THIS MEN\'S GROUP

00:22:58.667 --> 00:23:03.666
IN HOLLOW WATER,
THEY HAD ALREADY STARTED,

00:23:03.667 --> 00:23:06.998
AND THEY SAT ME IN THERE.

00:23:06.999 --> 00:23:09.000
AND I\'VE SAT WITH SOME
OTHER OFFENDERS,

00:23:10.334 --> 00:23:15.334
AND THAT\'S THE DAY I
FELT I WASN\'T ALONE.

00:23:24.751 --> 00:23:29.750
I FELT REALLY ASHAMED OF MYSELF
WHEN I FIRST WENT IN THERE

00:23:29.751 --> 00:23:33.625
CAUSE ALL THESE MEN
ARE SITTING IN HERE

00:23:33.626 --> 00:23:35.998
AND I\'M THE ONLY WOMAN.

00:23:35.999 --> 00:23:37.998
AT FIRST, THEY DIDN\'T
WANT ME IN THERE BECAUSE

00:23:37.999 --> 00:23:39.998
THEY DON\'T WANT
A WOMAN IN THERE.

00:23:39.999 --> 00:23:41.875
AND I SAID, \"WELL, I NEED TO
GO SOME PLACE WHERE I COULD TALK

00:23:41.876 --> 00:23:45.750
ABOUT THE CHARGES
I\'VE BEEN CHARGED WITH.\"

00:23:45.751 --> 00:23:48.625
SO I KEPT BEGGING LLOYD BUSHIE,

00:23:48.626 --> 00:23:51.041
CAN I GO TO MEN\'S GROUP?

00:23:51.042 --> 00:23:53.375
AND THAT\'S WHERE I AM TODAY.

00:24:21.167 --> 00:24:26.166
IT\'S HARD FOR THEM
TO TRUST PEOPLE.

00:24:26.167 --> 00:24:28.542
I, MYSELF, HAVE A DIFFICULT
TIME TRUSTING OTHER PEOPLE.

00:24:30.876 --> 00:24:35.875
IT\'S UP TO THEM TO BE
HONEST AND THEY ARE.

00:24:35.876 --> 00:24:39.208
AS TIME GOES ON, YOU\'RE NOT
GOING TO CARE IF PEOPLE KNOW

00:24:39.209 --> 00:24:44.041
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.

00:24:44.042 --> 00:24:45.998
YOU\'RE NO LONGER HIDING.

00:24:45.999 --> 00:24:48.998
YOU\'RE NO LONGER DENYING
THAT YOU DID THESE THINGS.

00:24:48.999 --> 00:24:53.209
IN MY LANGUAGE YOU SAY
THAT (INDIAN DIALECT)

00:24:54.999 --> 00:24:59.998
THAT MEANS LETTING
GO OF YOUR PROBLEMS,

00:24:59.999 --> 00:25:03.791
PUTTING THEM ON THE SIDE
OF THE ROAD AS YOU JOURNEY

00:25:03.792 --> 00:25:07.125
THIS HEALING PATH.

00:25:07.459 --> 00:25:09.659
HONESTY, RESPONSIBILITY,
ANSWERING FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

00:25:11.667 --> 00:25:16.666
QUIT BLAMING, QUIT DENYING.

00:25:16.667 --> 00:25:20.334
RESPECT YOURSELF, TALK ABOUT
YOURSELF, TALK ABOUT YOUR LIFE.

00:25:23.751 --> 00:25:26.417
AND WHEN I DID TAKE FULL
RESPONSIBILITY WITH THE CHCH,

00:25:29.417 --> 00:25:34.417
I FELT GOOD INSIDE,
ADMITTING IT.

00:25:36.999 --> 00:25:41.998
AND THERE WAS ANOTHER STEP THAT
I HAD TO DO IS THROUGH COURTS,

00:25:41.999 --> 00:25:46.166
TO ADMIT IT.

00:25:46.167 --> 00:25:50.333
Narrator: IT HAD TAKEN
RICHARD AND DEB ALMOST 2 YEARS

00:25:50.334 --> 00:25:52.166
TO ADMIT THEIR GUILT,

00:25:52.167 --> 00:25:53.998
AND THE TEAM HAD STRUGGLED
TO REMAIN PATIENT.

00:25:53.999 --> 00:25:57.750
OFFENDERS WHO REFUSED TO TAKE
RESPONSIBILITY COULD NOT REMAIN

00:25:57.751 --> 00:26:00.999
IN THE COMMUNITY.

00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.208
THOSE WHO WANTED TO
HEAL DESERVED RESPECT.

00:26:03.209 --> 00:26:06.458
THEY ASKED THE CROWN
ATTORNEY\'S OFFICE TO ALLOW

00:26:06.459 --> 00:26:09.834
RICHARD AND DEB TO BE
SENTENCED IN HOLLOW WATER.

00:26:10.999 --> 00:26:15.998
ON A COLD MORNING IN DECEMBER,
THE KENNEDYS, THE COUNSELLORS,

00:26:15.999 --> 00:26:19.333
OFFICIALS OF THE MANITOBA
JUSTICE SYSTEM AND

00:26:19.334 --> 00:26:22.041
250 HOLLOW WATER RESIDENTS
MET IN THE COMMUNITY HALL.

00:26:22.042 --> 00:26:26.583
IT WAS THE FIRST SENTENCING
CIRCLE HELD IN HOLLOW WATER

00:26:26.584 --> 00:26:29.999
IN MORE THAN A CENTURY.

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.458
TWELVE HOURS LATER, JUDGE MURRAY
SINCLAIR, SENTENCED RICHARD

00:26:32.459 --> 00:26:36.375
AND DEB TO A FURTHER 3
YEARS PROBATION WITH CHCH.

00:26:37.999 --> 00:26:40.999
AFTER THE JUDGE TOLD US WE
WERE PUT ON PROBATION TO CHCH,

00:26:42.999 --> 00:26:47.833
THAT WE HAD TO FOLLOW
WHATEVER CHCH TOLD US,

00:26:47.834 --> 00:26:51.459
AFTER THE COURT,
WE HAD A BIG FEAST AND

00:26:51.999 --> 00:26:56.999
WE SHOOK THE JUDGE\'S
HAND BEFORE HE LEFT.

00:26:59.999 --> 00:27:02.039
Narrator: BUT NOT EVERYONE
IN HOLLOW WATER SUPPORTED

00:27:04.999 --> 00:27:06.998
RICHARD AND DEB,
OR THE WORK OF CHCH.

00:27:06.999 --> 00:27:10.998
BOTH WERE A REMINDER OF
WHAT SOME IN THE COMMUNITY

00:27:10.999 --> 00:27:13.583
WANTED TO KEEP BURIED.

00:27:13.584 --> 00:27:15.750
WE DIDN\'T NEED ALL THIS CRAP
THAT WAS COMING DOWN ON US

00:27:15.751 --> 00:27:18.998
BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE WERE
POINTING FINGERS AT US.

00:27:18.999 --> 00:27:22.625
LIKE, IT\'S YOUR
PROBLEM, YOU KNOW,

00:27:22.626 --> 00:27:25.625
AND YOU BROUGHT ABUSE HERE.

00:27:25.626 --> 00:27:28.999
IT\'S NOT THAT THEY DON\'T
WANT TO DEAL WITH THE ABUSE,

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:33.998
IT\'S THE PAIN THAT
COMES WITH IT.

00:27:33.999 --> 00:27:36.998
THAT\'S WHAT\'S SCARY.

00:27:36.999 --> 00:27:38.998
AND THAT\'S WHAT PEOPLE
DON\'T WANT TO DEAL WITH

00:27:38.999 --> 00:27:41.999
BECAUSE IT\'S SO PAINFUL.

00:27:43.999 --> 00:27:48.998
Narrator: IT WAS A PAIN
PASSED ON FROM GENERATION

00:27:48.999 --> 00:27:50.999
TO GENERATION.

00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.209
A LEGACY OF ABUSE, RICHARD
AND DEB, KNEW ONLY TOO WELL.

00:27:54.667 --> 00:27:56.999
THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE
OUR FAMILY TREE.

00:27:59.459 --> 00:28:03.292
THESE LITTLE LINES PRESENT
SOMETHING ABOUT OUR FAMILIES.

00:28:06.999 --> 00:28:11.998
LIKE...

00:28:11.999 --> 00:28:14.208
ABUSE.

00:28:14.209 --> 00:28:18.208
ABUSE AND PHYSICAL, AND ALCOHOL,
ALL KINDS OF ABUSES INVOLVED.

00:28:18.209 --> 00:28:23.208
AND ALL THESE
GREEN LINES ARE,

00:28:23.209 --> 00:28:26.416
THAT\'S THE FAMILIES THAT
WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED

00:28:26.417 --> 00:28:29.999
WITHIN THE FAMILIES.

00:28:31.375 --> 00:28:36.374
RICHARD SENIOR WAS
SEXUALLY ABUSED.

00:28:36.375 --> 00:28:40.291
VERBAL ABUSE.

00:28:40.292 --> 00:28:41.209
VERBALLY ABUSED.

00:28:41.210 --> 00:28:42.583
PHYSICAL.

00:28:42.584 --> 00:28:43.998
PHYSICALLY ABUSED.

00:28:43.999 --> 00:28:45.833
AND MENTALLY.

00:28:45.834 --> 00:28:46.999
AND MENTALLY ABUSED.

00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.041
I THINK THAT WAS A SUICIDAL
THAT YOU PUT ON HERE.

00:28:50.042 --> 00:28:54.998
WE STARTED OFF, LIKE,
FAMILY TREE AND

00:28:54.999 --> 00:28:57.124
THEN WHAT KIND OF
ABUSE WE CAME FROM.

00:28:57.125 --> 00:29:01.041
THIS IS THE HARDEST
THING TO DO.

00:29:01.042 --> 00:29:04.791
AND WITH OUR KIDS,
IT WON\'T BE THAT MUCH

00:29:04.792 --> 00:29:06.998
BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE
IT\'S GOING TO STOP.

00:29:06.999 --> 00:29:10.998
SO, IT\'S NOT GOING TO BE
THAT MUCH COLORS THERE,

00:29:10.999 --> 00:29:14.333
NOT MUCH OF ABUSE
GOING THROUGH THERE.

00:29:14.334 --> 00:29:18.124
IT\'S GOING TO STOP THIS
HERE WITH OUR CHILDREN

00:29:18.125 --> 00:29:20.458
AND WITH
THEIR CHILDREN.

00:29:20.459 --> 00:29:22.459
Narrator: RICHARD AND DEB\'S
PROBATION REQUIRED THEM

00:29:25.042 --> 00:29:26.998
TO ATTEND INDIVIDUAL
COUNSELLING SESSIONS,

00:29:26.999 --> 00:29:29.792
ADDICTION TREATMENT
AND SHARING CIRCLES.

00:29:29.999 --> 00:29:32.000
AT THE END OF THEIR
FOURTH YEAR OF PROBATION,

00:29:33.667 --> 00:29:35.750
THEIR CHILDREN WERE
BROUGHT BACK AND

00:29:35.751 --> 00:29:37.471
PLACED IN FOSTER HOMES
WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

00:29:41.999 --> 00:29:46.998
CHARLOTTE AND LLOYD
BUSHIE BEGAN HOLDING

00:29:46.999 --> 00:29:49.167
FAMILY COUNSELLING SESSIONS.

00:29:59.584 --> 00:30:04.583
Narrator: THESE MEETINGS WOULD
DETERMINE WHETHER THE KENNEDYS

00:30:04.584 --> 00:30:06.792
WOULD EVER BE A FAMILY AGAIN.

00:30:32.999 --> 00:30:37.998
Narrator: THE WORK OF
CHCH HAD BEGUN A REVIVAL

00:30:37.999 --> 00:30:39.999
IN THE COMMUNITY.

00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:41.626
TRADITIONAL
CEREMONIES AND SYMBOLS

00:30:44.999 --> 00:30:46.666
WERE REGAINING ACCEPTANCE.

00:30:46.667 --> 00:30:48.998
THE SACRED FIRE HAD BEEN RELIT,

00:30:48.999 --> 00:30:51.374
AND THE SWEAT LODGE AND
DRUM DANCE HAD RETURNED.

00:30:51.375 --> 00:30:54.125
THESE WERE IMPORTANT
SIGNS FOR BERMA AND JOYCE.

00:30:57.125 --> 00:30:59.445
WORD OF HOLLOW WATER\'S APPROACH
TO HEALING HAD ALSO STARTED

00:31:01.999 --> 00:31:04.998
TO SPREAD OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY,

00:31:04.999 --> 00:31:07.124
AND THE COUNSELLORS WERE BEING
ASKED TO ATTEND WORKSHOPS

00:31:07.125 --> 00:31:09.875
AND CONFERENCES ACROSS CANADA.

00:31:09.876 --> 00:31:12.666
THE ATTENTION WAS WELCOMED,
BUT IT MEANT MORE WORK

00:31:12.667 --> 00:31:15.541
AND TIME AWAY FROM AN
ALREADY BUSY SCHEDULE.

00:31:15.542 --> 00:31:19.000
A JUSTICE CONFERENCE IN WINNIPEG
WAS AT LEAST CLOSER TO HOME.

00:31:22.375 --> 00:31:27.374
HOLLOW WATER COULDN\'T
LIVE WITH THEMSELVES,

00:31:27.375 --> 00:31:29.791
AND KNOW THAT WHEN WE REPORT
CASES THAT OUR CHILDREN

00:31:29.792 --> 00:31:33.583
WOULD BE PUT THROUGH
THE LEGAL SYSTEM.

00:31:33.584 --> 00:31:37.041
AND THAT IS,
THEY HAVE TO TESTIFY

00:31:37.042 --> 00:31:38.998
AGAINST THEIR OFFENDER
IN A COURT SETTING.

00:31:38.999 --> 00:31:44.041
THEY HAVE TO CONVINCE
JUDGES, AND DEFENSE LAWYERS

00:31:44.042 --> 00:31:46.875
AND CROWN ATTORNEYS THAT
WHAT THEY\'RE TALKING ABOUT

00:31:46.876 --> 00:31:49.041
IS THE TRUTH.

00:31:49.042 --> 00:31:50.416
I CAN\'T DO THAT.

00:31:50.417 --> 00:31:51.998
HOW CAN I EXPECT MY
CHILD TO DO THAT?

00:31:51.999 --> 00:31:54.375
AND THIS IS WHERE WE BRING
IN OUR UNDERSTANDING

00:31:55.125 --> 00:31:58.583
OF PROTECTING CHILDREN
IN OUR TRADITIONAL WAY.

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THESE CHILDREN ARE
GIFTS FROM CREATOR,

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IT\'S OUR JOB TO
PROTECT THEM.

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SO THE ADULTS THAT ARE
HARMING THESE CHILDREN,

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IT\'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO
MAKE SURE THAT THE CHILDREN

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WON\'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH
THE FORMAL COURT SYSTEM.

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Narrator: KATHY LEWIS, A VICE
CHAIR OF THE PAROLE BOARD

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OF CANADA, WORKED CLOSELY
WITH ABORIGINAL OFFENDERS.

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SHE WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED
IN HOLLOW WATER\'S ALTERNATIVE

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TO INCARCERATION.

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BECAUSE YOUR APPROACH IS
SO MUCH COST EFFECTIVE.

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FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT
IT GETS SPENT ON INCARCERATING

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OFFENDERS, AND I\'M NOT JUST
TALKING HERE ABOUT ABORIGINAL

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OFFENDERS, I\'M TALKING HERE OF
MANY OFFENDERS IN THE COUNTRY.

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THAT MONEY COULD BE FUNNELED
TO THE KIND OF PROCESSES

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THAT YOU HAVE
DEVELOPED.

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Narrator: JUDGE MCELREA AND
MATT HUKAHIYA OF NEW ZEALAND,

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ALONG WITH JUDGE BARRY
STEWART OF THE YUKON,

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HAD ATTENDED HOLLOW
WATER\'S PRESENTATION.

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JUDGE MCELREA WAS
CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING

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THEY HADN\'T MENTIONED.

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I THINK ONE OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT THE HOLLOW WATER
EXPERIENCE IS THE HIGH RATE OF ACCEPTANCE AND RESPONSIBILITY

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FOR WHAT IS A PRETTY
HORRIFIC SORT OF CRIME.

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AND YOU SAID BERMA,

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THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT 90%
OF PEOPLE ACCEPT THAT.

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I\'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT
HAPPENS TO THE OTHER 10.

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THEY PRESUMABLY HAVE A TRIAL
WITH THE MATTERS PROCESSED

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BY TRIAL BY JUDGE, OR JUDGE
AND JURY, IS THAT RIGHT?

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AND THEN WHAT
HAPPENS AFTER THAT?

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IN ALL OF THOSE SITUATIONS,
EXCEPT FOR ONE,

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THE VICTIMIZERS WERE CONVICTED
AND WERE INCARCERATED.

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SO, OUR SUPPORT WENT TO THE
VICTIM AND THE FAMILIES,

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AND SUPPORTING THEM
THROUGH THE COURT PROCESS.

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AND A RELATED QUESTION,
ONCE THEY\'RE CONVICTED,

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DO THEY GET THE
OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE PART IN

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A SENTENCING CIRCLE,

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OR DOES THE COURT
SYSTEM TAKE OVER

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AND RUN THE SENTENCING
IN THE TRADITIONAL WAY?

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THE COURT
TAKES OVER.

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IT\'S NOT THAT WE DON\'T
REACH OUT TO THE OFFENDER,

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WE DO EVERYTHING IN OUR
POWER TO ENGAGE WITH HIM,

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BUT IN THE END IT\'S
ALWAYS HIS DECISION,

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WHETHER HE WANTS
TO COME WITH US

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OR GO THROUGH THE
REGULAR SYSTEM.

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Narrator: SEXUAL ABUSE
WAS NOT THE ONLY ISSUE

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CONCERNING CHCH.

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YOUNG OFFENDERS,
LIKE RUDOLPH AND KEITH,

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WERE ON PROBATION FOR
BREAKING AND ENTERING.

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COUNSELLORS FELT THAT SOME
ASPECTS OF HOLISTIC HEALING

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MIGHT BENEFIT THEM.

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I GOT INTO MORE
TROUBLE AND MORE TROUBLE,

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AND FINALLY I GOT PICKED UP

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AND I WAS SHIPPED OFF
TO THE REMAND CENTRE.

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I WAS THERE FOR 2 DAYS
AND THEN I MADE BAIL.

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NOW, THE REMAND CENTRE
WASN\'T TOO BAD AT ALL.

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I MEAN, I ALMOST
ENJOYED IT IN THERE

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BECAUSE ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS
SIT AROUND AND DRINK COFFEE,

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AND PLAY CARDS AND
SHOOT THE BREEZE

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WITH THE REST OF THE GUYS,

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BRAG ABOUT YOUR CHARGES AND WHY YOU\'RE IN
HERE AND THAT. THAT\'S ALL YOU DO IN THERE.

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SO, I THOUGHT, THAT
WAS NO PROBLEM EITHER.

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AND I THOUGHT RIGHT FROM
THERE, JAIL IS NO PROBLEM.

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SO I CAME OUT AND
I DID IT AGAIN.

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YOU KNOW, I RE-OFFENDED
AGAIN AND BACK IN I WENT.

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AND, SURE, THIS TIME
I WAS KIND OF SCARED,

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BUT BECAUSE THE THOUGHT, I
WASN\'T GOING TO GET OUT AGAIN.

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JAIL IS NOT THE ANSWER,

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BUT SOME OF THESE GUYS NEED JAIL
JUST TO GIVE THEM THAT SHAKEN

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UP, YOU KNOW THAT SHOCK,
SO THEY CAN START DOING HEALING

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INSTEAD OF JUST
USING THE PROGRAM.

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THEY NEED TO SPEND
SOME TIME IN JAIL.

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WHEN I FIRST CAME IN,
I THOUGHT NOBODY CARED,

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THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE JUST
BECAUSE IT\'S THEIR JOB AND THAT.

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AND I FIGURED, WELL,
I DON\'T NEED THIS.

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YOU KNOW, I\'M HERE, I\'LL
COME AND ATTEND MY MEETINGS

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AND SAY NOTHING AND DO NOTHING.

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LIKE, SHE SHOWED ME THAT THERE
ARE PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY

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THAT REALLY WANT
TO SEE YOU CHANGE,

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THAT ARE REALLY
THERE TO HELP YOU.

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THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 6
YEARS THAT I HAVEN\'T RE-OFFENDED

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IN ALMOST A YEAR.

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NEXT MONTH WILL
BE A YEAR FOR ME,

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THAT I HAVEN\'T DID
ANYTHING AT ALL.

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Narrator: THE COUNSELLING
SESSIONS WITH RICHARD AND DEB,

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AND THEIR CHILDREN
CONTINUED THROUGH THE WINTER

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AND INTO THE SUMMER.

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AND IT BECAME
OBVIOUS THAT THE FAMILY

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WAS ANXIOUS TO BE REUNITED.

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THE TEAM DECIDED TO GIVE
THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE

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THEY WERE READY.

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THEY WOULD ALLOW THE FAMILY TO SPEND A WEEK ON BLACK
ISLAND, HOLLOW WATER\'S TRADITIONAL SUMMER CAMP.

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THEY WOULD NOT
BE ALONE HOWEVER,

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THE WHOLE COMMUNITY
WOULD BE WATCHING THEM.

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AS WOULD CHCH COUNSELLORS,
LIKE SHARON KLINE.

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WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT
FAMILIES HERE, I DON\'T KNOW,

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DEVELOP A DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR.

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THEY SHOW A LOT OF CARING
AND SHARING AMONGST PEOPLE

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THEY NORMALLY WOULDN\'T IF
THEY WERE BACK IN HOLLOW WATER.

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SO, FOR DEBBIE AND
RICHARD AND THE FAMILY,

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WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE GOOD
FOR COMMUNITY TO SHARE WITH THEM

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AS A FAMILY AGAIN.

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AND THE COMMUNITY
WOULD ACCEPT THAT, HEY,

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THIS FAMILY IS HERE TOGETHER,

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MAYBE IT\'S TIME FOR THEM TO
BE BACK TOGETHER AS A FAMILY.

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SO THIS WOULD BE JUST LIKE
A LITTLE INTRODUCTION,

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OR A TRIAL FOR THEM TO SEE IF
THEY\'RE READY TO LIVE TOGETHER.

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SO FAR, WE\'VE NEVER GOTTEN
ANY CRITICISM ABOUT RICHARD

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OR DEBBIE\'S BEHAVIOR,
OR THE CHILDREN\'S BEHAVIOR.

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I KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING
THEY WERE DOING WRONG,

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OR BEING OUT OF LINE
OR SAID SOMETHING,

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THE COMMUNITY WOULD, SOME
MEMBER, SOMEBODY WOULD TELL US.

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SO FAR, WE\'VE HAD NOTHING,
NO REPORTS BACK FROM ANYBODY.

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Narrator: THE TIME SPENT ON
BLACK ISLAND HAD GONE WELL,

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AND DEB AND RICHARD HAD
PROVEN THEMSELVES RESPONSIBLE,

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CARING PARENTS,

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BUT THE TEAM WANTED TO
HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.

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EVERY 6 MONTHS SINCE
THEIR PROBATION HAD BEGUN,

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CIRCLES HAD BEEN HELD TO
REVIEW THEIR PROGRESS.

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FIVE YEARS HAD
PASSED SINCE THEIR ARREST

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AND THE TEAM WANTED TO KNOW
WHETHER THE COMMUNITY FELT

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IT WAS SAFE TO RETURN THE
CHILDREN TO THEIR PARENTS.

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WE ARE INSTRUMENTS AND
WE CANNOT FORGET THAT.

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WHEN WE WORK WITH PEOPLE IT IS
NOT ME, IT IS NOT CHARLOTTE,

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BERMA, MARILYN, JANET, BERNIE,
LLOYD, IT IS NOT THE PEOPLE.

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WE ASSIST IN
THAT PROCESS,

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BUT IT\'S CREATOR AND IT\'S
HELPERS FROM THE 4 DIRECTIONS

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WHO ARE DOING THE HEALING
AND THE INDIVIDUALS.

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THIS IS A REVIEW FOR
RICHARD AND DEBRA.

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WE\'RE GOING TO HEAR
FROM THEIR WORKERS,

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THEIR PROGRESS ON
THEIR HEALING JOURNEY.

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AND ALSO, WE\'LL HEAR
FROM SOME OF THE WORKERS

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ON THE HEALING
PROGRESS OF THE CHILDREN.

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IT SURE HASN\'T BEEN AN EASY
JOURNEY FOR THESE 2 GIRLS.

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THEY REALLY CHALLENGED US A LOT.

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THEY INSISTED THAT THEY NEEDED
TO WORK WITH THEIR PARENTS,

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AND YET, UNDER CHILD WELFARE,
THOSE KINDS OF THINGS

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ARE JUST NOT DONE.

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I MEAN, ESPECIALLY
IN INCEST SITUATIONS,

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ONCE CHILDREN ARE REMOVED,
IT\'S ALMOST A GUARANTEE

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THAT THEY\'LL NEVER
GET BACK TOGETHER.

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I JUST GOT BACK NOT TOO
LONG AGO FROM THE INSTITUTION,

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BUT I\'M STILL NOT GOING TO,

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I\'VE BEEN LOCKED UP FOR A WHILE,

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IT\'S HARD TO GET
ALONG WITH PEOPLE HERE.

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STILL, I GO OUT TO
SOME PLACES YET,

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BUT I CAN\'T REALLY
MEET THE CROWD YET.

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BUT STILL, I HAVE
TO CONGRATULATE THEM

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WHEN I SEE THE FAMILY TOGETHER.

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CAUSE WHEN I LEFT,

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THEY TOOK THEIR KIDS AWAY FROM THEM FOR QUITE A
WHILE. BUT WHAT THESE GIRLS HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH

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IT\'S PRETTY HARD TO
FACE THE REALITY,

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OR WHATEVER YOU CALL THAT.

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NOW WHEN I WAS LOCKED UP THERE.

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I THOUGHT ABOUT THEM EVERY
NIGHT, I\'D THINK ABOUT THEM.

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THAT\'S ABOUT ALL I CAN SAY
FOR THEM FOR NOW, MEEGWETCH.

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I\'D JUST LIKE TO
SAY TO MY BROTHER,

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THAT I\'M HAPPY
THAT HE\'S HERE,

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AND I\'M GLAD THAT HE\'S WALKING
WITH ME WITH THIS HEALING PATH.

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I HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE
FOR WHAT I DID.

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AND I\'M GLAD THAT AT LEAST
ONE OF MY FAMILY IS WALKING

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WITH ME WITH THIS
HEALING PATH.

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CAUSE I KNOW IF YOU REALLY
WANT HEALING IT\'S THERE

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AND IT WORKS.

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CAUSE I TOO, ONE TIME,
DIDN\'T BELIEVE HEALING,

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IT WOULD NEVER WORK.

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BUT I KNOW ON MY SIDE OF THE
FAMILY THERE\'S A LOT OF DENIALS,

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A LOT OF ISSUES THEY
HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

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I\'D JUST LIKE TO TELL MY BROTHER
THAT I LOVE HIM, MEEGWETCH.

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I WAS STARTING TO TELL MY KIDS
WHAT I WENT THROUGH AS A CHILD.

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AT TIMES, I FEEL THE TEARS
COME DOWN WHEN WE SIT AROUND

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AND IT\'S PAINFUL TO
TELL MY KIDS THAT.

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I KNOW HOW THEY FEEL
ABOUT ME NOW, TODAY.

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IT\'S NICE TO GET THE TRUST,
ESPECIALLY FROM MY 2 DAUGHTERS,

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MONA AND VANESSA.

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I CAN FEEL THAT TRUST
FROM THEM TO ME.

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I CAN ALSO FEEL A TRUST WITHIN
MYSELF GOING TOWARDS HEALING.

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I\'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES
AND MY MOM HARDLY YELLS.

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SHE JUST SITS THERE AND
DOESN\'T DO ANYTHING.

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THEN WHEN WE GET
INTO AN ARGUMENT,

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SHE DOESN\'T BUTT IN, SHE
JUST SITS THERE AND LISTENS.

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AND MY DAD, WE
CAN TRUST HIM.

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LIKE, I TRUST MY DAD,
BEING ALONE WITH HIM.

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I COULDN\'T TRUST HIM.

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AND THEN AFTER A WHILE,
I STARTED TRUSTING HIM.

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WE TALK, WE SIT DOWN AND WE
TALK ABOUT WHAT HE\'D DONE,

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AND HE KEEPS TELLING US OVER
AND OVER HOW SORRY HE IS.

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AND THEY\'VE COME
A LONG WAYS.

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I\'M IN THE PROCESS OF HEALING,

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BUT I WILL NEVER FULLY HEAL.

00:44:40.542 --> 00:44:43.375
UNTIL THE DAY I DIE,
I\'LL BE STILL HEALING.

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I\'M NOT SAYING I\'M FULLY HEALED,

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BUT I KNOW I\'M GETTING
HALF WAYS TO IT.

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I WAS WARNED ALREADY,

00:44:57.999 --> 00:45:01.208
WHEN I FIRST STARTED THIS WORK,

00:45:01.209 --> 00:45:05.041
YOU\'RE JUST A FRONT LINE WORKER.

00:45:05.042 --> 00:45:08.041
YOU\'RE NOT GOING TO
GET TO SEE THE HEALING

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THAT\'S GOING TO REALLY
HAPPEN IN YOUR LIFETIME

00:45:10.999 --> 00:45:14.750
WHICH PUT ME DOWN AT THAT TIME.

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I ASKED THE ELDERS,
\"THEN, WHY AM I WORKING?\"

00:45:18.999 --> 00:45:21.999
HE SAID, \"YOU\'RE JUST
STARTING SOMETHING

00:45:23.999 --> 00:45:27.333
THAT NOBODY\'S EVER TOUCHED.\"

00:45:27.334 --> 00:45:30.209
I DREAM OF A TIME WHEN
OUR CHILDREN\'S SPIRITS

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ARE GOING TO BE REALLY STRONG,
MUCH STRONGER THAN US,

00:45:35.542 --> 00:45:38.999
AND THEY\'LL UNDERSTAND
THE LAWS OF CREATOR.

00:45:41.167 --> 00:45:46.166
THEY\'LL UNDERSTAND THE VALUES.

00:45:46.167 --> 00:45:48.998
THEY\'LL LIVE BY THE
VALUES OF OUR PEOPLE.

00:45:48.999 --> 00:45:53.999
AND I THINK THAT\'S WHERE OUR
CHILDREN ARE LEADING US TO.

00:45:55.167 --> 00:45:57.487
Narrator: RICHARD AND DEB HAD
STRUGGLED TO ADMIT THE TRUTH,

00:46:00.167 --> 00:46:02.998
AND REGAINED THE TRUST OF THEIR
CHILDREN AND THEIR COMMUNITY.

00:46:02.999 --> 00:46:05.998
FOR OTHERS, THAT
JOURNEY IS JUST BEGINNING.

00:46:05.999 --> 00:46:10.041
TODAY, MORE THAN 200 PEOPLE
ARE INVOLVED IN HOLLOW WATER\'S

00:46:10.042 --> 00:46:13.998
HOLISTIC CIRCLE
HEALING APPROACH.

00:46:13.999 --> 00:46:17.041
AND THE TEAM HAS UNDERTAKEN
YET ANOTHER CHALLENGE,

00:46:17.042 --> 00:46:19.999
HEALING THE VICTIMS AND
OFFENDERS OF FAMILY VIOLENCE.

00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.291
THEY KNOW THEIR
STRUGGLE IS FAR FROM OVER,

00:46:24.292 --> 00:46:27.626
BUT AT LEAST THE
HEALING HAS BEGUN.

00:46:45.375 --> 00:46:50.375
(♪ music ♪)